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Dumfriesshire / Re: Carruthers, Williamina (Inah) and her Twin Jane Birth /Bapt 1834/1838
« on: Sunday 08 July 18 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Colin. I'm trying to distinguish between the old toll bar Gretna on the  site you gave me  as I think there was another Gretna Toll Bar. I can find very little on line about the toll bars apart from references to marriages.

Sadly to say that marriage can't be the Agnes Carruthers that I am looking for as Agnes was transported to Tasmania in 1847 for killing her new born baby. She had previously been acquitted of a similar offence in 1841/2 so I think it was about this time that the twins were taken from her and sent to relatives called Wilkinson in Cumberland. They both gave William Wilkinson as their father on their marriage certificates.

A mixed up family. I do appreciate your help .

Sheila


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Monday 04 June 18 09:24 BST (UK)  »
You've been busy Annie and Gadget while I was forced away from my laptop to go to a wedding.

I can see a Fairyknowe on the map you found https://maps.nls.uk/view/74426689#zoom=5&lat=9653&lon=9920&layers=BT   perhaps this could be FairyRow  ?

Thanks for all your help .It looks like Mary Mather's is the mother . I've now seen bap. for William , Henerietta and Margret which was down as Maigret . Just Jane, Elspeth  and Agnes to find .

By the way, Col. Graham signed Agnes' arrest warrant .


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 11:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Saturday 02 June 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Possible death?

CARRUTHERS ELSPETH 68 (b c1805)
CUTHBERTSON ELSPETH 68
1873
767/ 1 Newlands (Peebles)

Same ref. no. if she married a Cuthbertson?

Annie

Yes Annie that's the death certificate that I have . Thank you for your hard work

Sheila

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Saturday 02 June 18 08:33 BST (UK)  »
Do you know how many children there were & whether any remained in Scotland to get a better idea of Marys' m/s from deaths of other children?

I'm having trouble tracing anything on the other children. From Agnes' prison records she says she has a brother william and sisters , Elspeth , Margaret and Jane  or that might be Margaret Jane. all living in Dumfriesshire in 1847 , though I know Elspeth was married and living in Peebleshire then.

It is possible that their marriages could have been Irregular marriages in Gretna Green.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Friday 01 June 18 14:58 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Friday 01 June 18 14:39 BST (UK)
Was the child on the DC you have, born in Dumfries?

Annie

The censuses all say Kirkpatrick Flemming. No birth information on the death certificate

It does look like Madax or a variation on that .

Sheila

Sheila

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Friday 01 June 18 13:07 BST (UK)  »

What was the age of William on 1841 for a c yr of birth for Mary (assuming there wasn't a big age difference)  :-\

Annie
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William was said to be 69 .Give or take 5 years if the age was rounded off as it should have been. Working on a birth year around 1772

I'm trying to get in touch with another researcher of this family  who has MatherS down as a surname but will have to be patient as Ancestry's messages aren't working for me .

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Friday 01 June 18 07:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again Annie . I had my doubts about the last letter. When I enlarge the scan it looks like an x to me . I'll go back to looking at William and Mary's other children to see if I can find another version of Mary's surname

Sheila

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Thursday 31 May 18 20:24 BST (UK)  »
Sorry I meant Madar . Slip of the finger

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help in Deciphering this name please
« on: Thursday 31 May 18 19:05 BST (UK)  »
Gadget .That sounds possible .I can see MATHER could be misheard as MAGDAR

Annie : I know William Carruthers was alive and living in Gretna in 1846 with his daughter Agnes  and her son Stewart Scott (Carruthers) . Agnes was tried for killing her new born baby in 1846 and sent to Tasmania. William was the toll-bar keeper at Gretna at the time.  I'm trying to sort out is what happened to William .He was said to be 69 on the 1841 census so may have died around this time . No sign of him on the 1851 census. There is a William Carruthers  at Rigg Toll Bar in 1857 but i can't be sure if this is William snr or jnr . Lots of work to do 

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