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Europe / Re: Johan Florian Adank - Switzerland
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 02:34 BST (UK) »
Hi - It would seem that that is the case - here is the response I got from the Graubunden archives - the 1835 census -
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Europe / Re: Johan Florian Adank - Switzerland
« on: Tuesday 21 March 17 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much - again. I have sent an email off to the State Archive of Graubünden - they may take pity on me and take a look - fingers crossed.
I have also looked at the forum page you suggested - all the posts are written in German - would it be OK for me to post in English do you think?
I saw that other Abraham Adank and the dates don't match at all well - however he could be brother or cousin perhaps. There is also a George Adank from the same area as Florian who emigrated to the USA - and we initially thought could be a brother - but after having made contact with living descendants of George in the USA it would seem not - a cousin nephew perhaps.
I have also looked at the forum page you suggested - all the posts are written in German - would it be OK for me to post in English do you think?
I saw that other Abraham Adank and the dates don't match at all well - however he could be brother or cousin perhaps. There is also a George Adank from the same area as Florian who emigrated to the USA - and we initially thought could be a brother - but after having made contact with living descendants of George in the USA it would seem not - a cousin nephew perhaps.
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Europe / Re: Johan Florian Adank - Switzerland
« on: Tuesday 21 March 17 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for your prompt responses. My apologies for that spelling/typing/ comprehension error -
No unfortunately I don't have a copy of the parish register - I have only an email from someone who kindly searched this out for me some years ago now.
My problem is that whilst being competent in my New Zealand tongues of English and te Reo Maori - I am less than competent at German - I did study it for 2 years whilst at high school - and then did use it in the late 70's when I was in Germany unfortunately that was many years ago now and I find myself somewhat lacking the competence to fully understand what I am reading. The English version of the webpage is helpful however all leads seem to lead to German.
It is somewhat positive however in that both names seem relatively rare in the current phone directories. -
I am not sure how to continue - this research had been put on hold for the reasons above (amongst others) for some years now - I am thinking that perhaps I should/could engage some professional genealogist who does understand the language and also has better access to the information than I have sitting half a world away geographically. What are your thoughts?? If so - does anyone have any advice where or how I would find such a service?? (hopefully it would be reasonably priced - otherwise that is also a non starter.
Cheers Deni
No unfortunately I don't have a copy of the parish register - I have only an email from someone who kindly searched this out for me some years ago now.
My problem is that whilst being competent in my New Zealand tongues of English and te Reo Maori - I am less than competent at German - I did study it for 2 years whilst at high school - and then did use it in the late 70's when I was in Germany unfortunately that was many years ago now and I find myself somewhat lacking the competence to fully understand what I am reading. The English version of the webpage is helpful however all leads seem to lead to German.
It is somewhat positive however in that both names seem relatively rare in the current phone directories. -
I am not sure how to continue - this research had been put on hold for the reasons above (amongst others) for some years now - I am thinking that perhaps I should/could engage some professional genealogist who does understand the language and also has better access to the information than I have sitting half a world away geographically. What are your thoughts?? If so - does anyone have any advice where or how I would find such a service?? (hopefully it would be reasonably priced - otherwise that is also a non starter.
Cheers Deni
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Europe / Re: Johan Florian Adank - Switzerland
« on: Monday 20 March 17 10:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your prompt response - we have in the past considered a link with the Netherlands. The search from the link you provided wasn't particularly extensive as I don't have a subscription - is this the best site for searching European connections do you think. Also - two links came up for Sprecher search - one was too recent and the other in German - in which I am not particularly competent. I did get the gist of it though - something about moving to the Netherlands in 1655. Well - our Florian would have been in Australia by then - but this line of inquiry is far form ruled out. Thank you. Any further hints would be most appreciated. Our Poole ancestor (my great grandfather was born in Carlisle - however we note his family and that of his future wife's family all seem to have some links with Liverpool. I wonder ofthtere is a connection with us Kiwis and your childhood neighbours.
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Europe / Johan Florian Adank - Switzerland
« on: Monday 20 March 17 04:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello - I am looking for advice on how to best research family links in Switzerland - I am looking for the family history of Johan Florian Adank - known in New Zealand as Florian. (1829- 1907) Born Switzerland - Died New Zealand Parents - Abraham Adank and Johanna Stecher. Place of birth varies - his naturalisation certificate (1875) says Malans - his marriage certificate says something like 'Corie' (very hard to read the handwriting) - death certificate something like 'Berner" - ( I note the city of Bern is some distance away from Malans and am very reluctant to locate his birth in Bern) We have emigration and immigration records to Australia - one records the entry into England from France of a Johan Florian Adank (correct date of birth) The record of arrival in Australia seems to indicate he came out on a ship that was from the Netherlands. We also have baptism record, that someone kindly emailed us, of a Johan Florian Adank born to the same parents as cited in his marriage and death certificates 1829 in Malans (the same as his naturalisation record) We can find NO lines to either of his parents - or siblings - it could be thta his siblings also emigrated - possibly to the USA
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New Zealand Completed Requests / Clutha and Dunedin - Maraget (Noble), Isabella and William McKenzie
« on: Sunday 05 April 09 02:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
Marget Noble (nee McKenzie) came to New Zealand with her husband of 2 years (Roderick Noble) and her 1 year old daughter Isabella in 1859. Her life in NZ was not happy as I have discovered - although the story seems to have been 'lost' from the 'family history'. We have strong reason to believe from the circumstances of her death that she had epilepsy, the type that 'runs in families' Therefore we have reason to believe that it would also have been present in other members or ancestors or descendants in Scotland / New Zealand. (I mention this as a hint that couild alert someone perhaps to make a link and therefore make contact)
Margaret was born in Nairnshire in 1829 - her parents were Isobel (sometimes referred to as Elizabeth) Cumming and John McKenzie. It seems that either John McKenzie died in the early 1840's OR that the parents relationship didn't last for some reason and that Isobel remarried a man by the name of McDonald in the late 1840's and had 2 more children.
There is a strong link with an address called "Blairmore" in Cawdor in Nairnshire. This is the address on her marriage certificate - also the address in the 1841 census of her parents and siblings is No 11 Blairmore. In the 1851 census Margaret is listed as a 'servant' for the farmer at "Blairmore.
In 1841 census Margt can be found at the age of 10 listed as 'servant' in the McDonald family in Nairn. (Interesting as all the children of the McDonald family are essentially grown up at this time. Interesting also as her mother renmarreid a man by the name of McDonald.
Margaret's sister Isabella death record can be found in NZ 1863 - in Dunedin - burial record states that Isabella's husband Roderick Noble was the informant and that Isabella had been in Otago for only one year - which means she came out to NZ in 1861 or 1862
The ship that Margt and her husband came out on was the "Gala' and has listed a "Wm McKenzie" - also the informant for the birth certificate of Margarets 4th child Alexander was "William McKenzie, settler" The child was born in Warepa (Clutha district) in 1866 and was named Alexander Noble.
Other siblings (besides Isabella - the eldest born in Scotlkand , and Alexander - the youngest) were:
Margaret Noble (born 1861 died 1864 - bureid with her Aunty in the Southern Cemetry, Dunedin))
John Noble born 1863
Mary Fraser Noble born 1865
Events that occured in 1867 resulted in the 4 children being cared for by the Otago Benevolent Instuition - (an 'orphanage' I guess u would call it) Isabella Noble ended up in Queenstown - there in 1880, and with a strong connection to the Salvation Army. There is reason to believe that there is a family connection in Port Chalmers also as her eldest child was born and brought up in Queenstown however was registered at the age of 6 weeks in Port Chalmers.
It seems therefore that at least 2 of the Margaret McKenzies siblings came to NZ and settled in Otago - William settled in the Clutha district - somewhere near Warepa. We think he died in the district and is buried at the Balclutha 'Old Cemetery' in 1893. Isabella McKenzie, as mentioned, died in Caversham, Dunedin.
The other siblings born in Scotland , as far as I can tell, were Christina (or Christian) born April 1831
John, born January 1836
David, born March 1838
If anyone can recognise anything in this story and / or can point me toward any further information or links to any of these people I would dearly love to hear from them.
Thanks
Marget Noble (nee McKenzie) came to New Zealand with her husband of 2 years (Roderick Noble) and her 1 year old daughter Isabella in 1859. Her life in NZ was not happy as I have discovered - although the story seems to have been 'lost' from the 'family history'. We have strong reason to believe from the circumstances of her death that she had epilepsy, the type that 'runs in families' Therefore we have reason to believe that it would also have been present in other members or ancestors or descendants in Scotland / New Zealand. (I mention this as a hint that couild alert someone perhaps to make a link and therefore make contact)
Margaret was born in Nairnshire in 1829 - her parents were Isobel (sometimes referred to as Elizabeth) Cumming and John McKenzie. It seems that either John McKenzie died in the early 1840's OR that the parents relationship didn't last for some reason and that Isobel remarried a man by the name of McDonald in the late 1840's and had 2 more children.
There is a strong link with an address called "Blairmore" in Cawdor in Nairnshire. This is the address on her marriage certificate - also the address in the 1841 census of her parents and siblings is No 11 Blairmore. In the 1851 census Margaret is listed as a 'servant' for the farmer at "Blairmore.
In 1841 census Margt can be found at the age of 10 listed as 'servant' in the McDonald family in Nairn. (Interesting as all the children of the McDonald family are essentially grown up at this time. Interesting also as her mother renmarreid a man by the name of McDonald.
Margaret's sister Isabella death record can be found in NZ 1863 - in Dunedin - burial record states that Isabella's husband Roderick Noble was the informant and that Isabella had been in Otago for only one year - which means she came out to NZ in 1861 or 1862
The ship that Margt and her husband came out on was the "Gala' and has listed a "Wm McKenzie" - also the informant for the birth certificate of Margarets 4th child Alexander was "William McKenzie, settler" The child was born in Warepa (Clutha district) in 1866 and was named Alexander Noble.
Other siblings (besides Isabella - the eldest born in Scotlkand , and Alexander - the youngest) were:
Margaret Noble (born 1861 died 1864 - bureid with her Aunty in the Southern Cemetry, Dunedin))
John Noble born 1863
Mary Fraser Noble born 1865
Events that occured in 1867 resulted in the 4 children being cared for by the Otago Benevolent Instuition - (an 'orphanage' I guess u would call it) Isabella Noble ended up in Queenstown - there in 1880, and with a strong connection to the Salvation Army. There is reason to believe that there is a family connection in Port Chalmers also as her eldest child was born and brought up in Queenstown however was registered at the age of 6 weeks in Port Chalmers.
It seems therefore that at least 2 of the Margaret McKenzies siblings came to NZ and settled in Otago - William settled in the Clutha district - somewhere near Warepa. We think he died in the district and is buried at the Balclutha 'Old Cemetery' in 1893. Isabella McKenzie, as mentioned, died in Caversham, Dunedin.
The other siblings born in Scotland , as far as I can tell, were Christina (or Christian) born April 1831
John, born January 1836
David, born March 1838
If anyone can recognise anything in this story and / or can point me toward any further information or links to any of these people I would dearly love to hear from them.
Thanks
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Nairnshire / Margaret, Isabella and William McKenzie of Nairn
« on: Sunday 05 April 09 01:44 BST (UK) »
Hi
My great great grandmother came to New Zealand with her husband of 2 years (Roderick Noble) and her 1 year old daughter in 1859. Her life in NZ was not happy as I have discovered - although the story was not part of our 'family history'. We have strong reason to believe from the circumstances of her death that she had epilepsy, the type that 'runs in families' Therefore we have reason to believe that it would also have been present in other memebrs or ancestors or descendants in Scotland. (I mention this as a hint that couild alert someone perhpas to make a link and therefore make contact)
Margaret was born in Nairnshire in 1829 - her parents were Isobel (sometimes referred to as Elizabeth) Cumming and John McKenzie. It seems that either John McKenzie died in the early 1840's OR that the parents relationship didn't last for soe reason and that Isobel remarreid a man by the name of McDonald in the late 1840's and had 2 more children.
There is a strong link with an address called "Blairmore" in Cawdor in Nairnshire. This is the address on her marriage certificate - also the address in the 1841 census of her parents and siblings is No 11 Blairmore. In the 1851 census Margaret is listed as a 'servant' for the farmer at "Blairmore.
In 1841 census Margt can be found at the age of 10 listed as 'servant' in the McDonald family in Nairn. (Interesting as all the children of the McDonald family are essentially grown up at this time. Interesting also as her mother renmarreid a man by the name of McDonald.
Margaret's sister Isabella death record can be found in NZ 1863 - in Dundein - burial record states that Isabella's husband Roderick Noble was the informant and that Isabella had been in Otago for only one year - which means she came out to NZ in 1861 or 1862
The ship that Margt and her husband came out on has listed a "Wm McKenzie" - also the informant for the birth certificate of Margarets 4th child Alexander was "William McKenzie, settler"
So it seems that at least 3 of the siblings came to NZ and settled in Otago - William settled in the Clutha district - somewhere near Warepa
The other siblings, as far as I can tell, were Christina (or Christian) born April 1831
John, born January 1836
David, born March 1838
If anyone can recognise anything in this story and / or can point me toward any further information or links about any of these people I would dearly love to hear from them.
Thanks
My great great grandmother came to New Zealand with her husband of 2 years (Roderick Noble) and her 1 year old daughter in 1859. Her life in NZ was not happy as I have discovered - although the story was not part of our 'family history'. We have strong reason to believe from the circumstances of her death that she had epilepsy, the type that 'runs in families' Therefore we have reason to believe that it would also have been present in other memebrs or ancestors or descendants in Scotland. (I mention this as a hint that couild alert someone perhpas to make a link and therefore make contact)
Margaret was born in Nairnshire in 1829 - her parents were Isobel (sometimes referred to as Elizabeth) Cumming and John McKenzie. It seems that either John McKenzie died in the early 1840's OR that the parents relationship didn't last for soe reason and that Isobel remarreid a man by the name of McDonald in the late 1840's and had 2 more children.
There is a strong link with an address called "Blairmore" in Cawdor in Nairnshire. This is the address on her marriage certificate - also the address in the 1841 census of her parents and siblings is No 11 Blairmore. In the 1851 census Margaret is listed as a 'servant' for the farmer at "Blairmore.
In 1841 census Margt can be found at the age of 10 listed as 'servant' in the McDonald family in Nairn. (Interesting as all the children of the McDonald family are essentially grown up at this time. Interesting also as her mother renmarreid a man by the name of McDonald.
Margaret's sister Isabella death record can be found in NZ 1863 - in Dundein - burial record states that Isabella's husband Roderick Noble was the informant and that Isabella had been in Otago for only one year - which means she came out to NZ in 1861 or 1862
The ship that Margt and her husband came out on has listed a "Wm McKenzie" - also the informant for the birth certificate of Margarets 4th child Alexander was "William McKenzie, settler"
So it seems that at least 3 of the siblings came to NZ and settled in Otago - William settled in the Clutha district - somewhere near Warepa
The other siblings, as far as I can tell, were Christina (or Christian) born April 1831
John, born January 1836
David, born March 1838
If anyone can recognise anything in this story and / or can point me toward any further information or links about any of these people I would dearly love to hear from them.
Thanks
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Nairnshire / Re: Noble McKenzie McTavish Cumming
« on: Saturday 24 January 09 01:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi again - just relooking at all this - Margaret's children in New Zealand were named Margaret (died age 3), John, Mary Fraser, and Alexander. The names Mary Fraser and Alexander fit with the names you have found back in Scotland. There is a Wm McKenzie on the ships list (The Gala) that Roderick and Margaret came out on - also of much interest is the birth certificate of her youngest baby Alexander (I think Roderick was gone before the birth of his youngest child) - the 'informant' of the birth to the register is a "William McKenzie - settler' .
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