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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Could you help with Dating this family photo please name Ramwell - in Lancashire
« on: Sunday 28 January 18 04:42 GMT (UK)  »
Regarding your query about when your photo 'ramwell 26.2.15.jpg' was taken at Bolton by Sydney Whillans of Bolton.  I reply as he was my gpa.  Sydney moved to Bolton in July 1907 and he remained there until at least 1911.  By late 1912, he had definitely moved from Bolton.  So the photo must have been taken between July 1907 and late 1912.

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Roxburghshire / Re: WHELLANS family - Morebattle
« on: Monday 20 July 09 07:33 BST (UK)  »
Harry

My "Jemima Whillans b~1798" means that she was born about 1798, in this case it's not +/- 1 but quite a bit wider, say +/- 5;  in other words, I made an estimate.

There was something odd in this family as it hasn't fallen into place readily for us.

It had been previously hypothesised that Jemima Whillans (W-H0 b1795-1800, husband Hugh Stephenson) and Walter Whillans (W-H1 b~1809, wife Catherine Stephenson b~1807) were possible siblings in Hawick.  However, the story is far from neat.

Supposing Jemima's parents were:

Richard (hyp b15jun1783 Dent Yorkshire, c Sedbergh Yorkshire) and Katherine Stevenson (c Oct1779 Hawick, pa Walter Stevenson ma Janet Oliver), with Walter b03jan1809 Hawick known definitely to be their child, Richard & Katherine would have been 25yo & 29yo at Walter's birth which is fine.  Now Jemima's first child was b~1814 (26yo in 1841), so if her parents were Richard & Katherine, then it is tentatively hyp that Richard as a ~15yo teenager sired Jemima illegitimately just before the turn of the century, if to Katherine then she would probably have been ~19yo.

George Willan (b~1760) & Martha Burton, evidenced from the death certificate of Richard (b1783), then Jemima would have been Walter's aunt, ie Richard’s younger sister.  At this stage, while the dates seem more sensible, evidence is lacking.

Jemima made a point of not naming any of her chn after Richard & Katherine or George & Martha.  Funny that.  To date, she has beaten both Sonia, one of her descendants, and myself.

Frank Whillans.

PS: This thread has moved well away from Morebattle, but at least the Whillans is still prominent, mixed up with Stephenson.  Harry, can you link the above Stephensons  into the same family?

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Roxburghshire / Re: WHELLANS family - Morebattle
« on: Saturday 18 July 09 04:41 BST (UK)  »
Hello again to Brina & Monica.
I cannot add anything really significant to the info I provided in my three messages in Feb last.  I have looked for sisters Charlotte (b~1837) and Jane (b~1825) in my files but I have to admit I cannot link them in, at least not at the moment.  There are plenty of Jane's, none exactly the right age, and Charlotte's of any age are like hen's teeth.
I write here as I am in contact with three other genealogists, not involved in this discussion, who are actually descended from the Whellans family who originated in Morebattle Roxburghshire.  Two live in Australia and one in England.  The four of us have been busy combining our data over the past half year.  If you are descended from the Whillans/Whellens/Wealleans/Whillas/Willans/etc lot, I invite you to join the Whillans Rootsweb List as well as this, via whillans-request@rootsweb.com using the single word subscribe - you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  Once you're in, just send your messages to that List as well; it's a small List functioning now for nearly eleven years.
As far as I'm concerned, I want to link these two sisters in, so I am looking for that extra little clue that might enable it.  I have searched the complete 1841 census for Roxburghshire via microfilm and the Jedburgh parish records (many years ago), and I didn't pick up a Charlotte, about 3yo, unlike Jane who would have been about 15yo.  This leads me to the hypothesis that they were ex-Roxburghshire at that time, but I wonder where.
PS: Harry, many thanks for providing your extended data on & photos of the family of Stephenson (Hugh Eskew Stephenson married Jemima Whillans b~1798 at Smailholm).
PPS: Monica on 14 July stated "The closest I can see for younger sister Charlotte in 1871 - but surname looks to be Turnbull from later birth regs for children in Lilliesleaf".  At first this seemed irrelevant, but on reflection I wondered as three of Jemima 's hyp siblings married Turnbulls, however in looking again at my data there is nothing obvious.
Cheers (or should it be consolations).
Frank Whillans from Melbourne.

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Roxburghshire / Re: WHELLANS family - Morebattle
« on: Monday 16 February 09 00:39 GMT (UK)  »
Brina
Yes I do have a lot on William Whellans who migrated to Australia (he arrived on 24oct1853 in Australia on the 'Goldfinder'), and I used to be in contact with one of his descendants.  His family spelt their surname when they arrived as Wheelens. 
I did not know Wilson migrated also - little clues such as this help in locating links in one's data, so I'll look again with this new perspective.
Frank.
PS:  One of my email addresses is listed in my web-page, see earlier correspondence.

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Roxburghshire / Re: WHELLANS family - Morebattle
« on: Sunday 15 February 09 06:30 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Brina

I have been looking at my records on your line of interest, and I do have quite extensive information for you, once you contact me directly.  The only item I didn't have was that Andrew Whellans b1836 had a middle name of Douglas - I had not gleaned this from any of my sources.  His father b1806 did however have Douglas as he was named Andrew Douglas Wh....

The 1841 data which Monica itemised earlier is correct:
   William Whelans 81, carrier
   Janet Whelans 60+, his second wife
   John Whelans 35+, teacher, William's son
   Janet Whelans 5, William's gdau & Andrew's niece
   Andrew Whelans 35+, day labourer, William's son
   Jane Whelans 39, Andrew's wife
   William Wheelans 11, Andrew's son
   Wilson Whelans 6, Andrew's son
   Andrew Whelans 4, Andrew's son
   Jane Whelans 3, Andrew's dau
I have placed a + on some ages, as the 1841 census usually listed the low end of five year brackets for adults, ie a 35yo and a 39yo would be listed as 35yo.

Frank Whillans, Melbourne Australia.

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Roxburghshire / Re: WHELLANS family - Morebattle
« on: Wednesday 11 February 09 01:27 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Brina & Monicalesl

Noted your chat on this topic via Google alerting.

I'm involved heavily in researching Whillans and its homonyms, including Whellans.  You might have a glance at my website http://www.one-name.org/profiles/whillans.html to gauge where I'm at in this effort.

One of the lines I have researched is the Morebattle Whellans, W-W2 (my ref #) William Fillins/Whealins/Whelands/Whelans/Whillins c04dec1768 (Morebattle), wright in Jedburgh, feuar/carrier in Morebattle.  This William's second marriage was to Jane/Janet Laidlaw, his first was to Allison/Alison Thomson. 

You will note, I'm sure the spelling variations I've noted in the various literature, ie I've seen William's surname spelt five different ways, but funnily not as Whellans.  His chn were, from one source, surnamed Whillans.  I am becoming quite convinced that these names and others such as Wealleans (from Northumberland) are from one and the same source, coming from Argyllshire from where they were scattered primarily to Roxburghshire & Northumberland.  That is the primary reason why I have commenced a Y-DNA study to (in)validate this hypothesis.

I have also hyp that William had a sister Margaret, a bro Samuel, and possibly another dau Janet; furthermore that their father, also a William, witnessed baptisms in Morebattle during Dec1768, Jun1771, and Jun1780.

Tracking forward, I can name over 120 descendants of this William.

Could we email more extensively off list?

Frank Whillans, Melbourne Australia.


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