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Tyrone / Re: Wilsons of Dyan and Kilmore, Tyrone
« on: Saturday 13 January 24 16:12 GMT (UK)  »
Andrew Wilson Sr. (who died in 1850 near Dungannon) was a noted land surveyor, as were his sons Andrew (who went to New Zealand) and John (who remained in County Tyrone). Researching these Wilsons at PRONI, we see that PRONI Ref. T3037 includes a letter from Dr. E. M. Patterson to the "Keeper of the Records" at PRONI, dated 12th June 1973, in which Dr. Patterson enclosed a copy of his ancestor Andrew Wilson's handwritten 1844 will. The two-page will document has no signature, date or witnesses, so this was a draft.

Details from this will draft:

The Fourteenth day of June one thousand eight hundred and forty four

I, Andrew Wilson of Allen, Land agent, being of healthy body and sound mind and memory... do make and ordain this my last will and testament...

I give unto my wife Elenor Wilson otherwise Irwin twenty pounds sterling with all the household furniture in my kitchen her bed and all other articles she had  or brought with her when we married... Also I bequeath unto her the house in Mill street in Aughnacloy and also the.... at Tully that her father leased to me during her life and at her death the same houses and gardens in Aughnacloy & Tully to be let and the property equally divided between Elenor Wilson, James Wilson, Henry Wilson, Daniel Wilson & Thos. William Wilson my five children by Elenor Wilson otherwise Irwin...

My lease hold property in Allen, Moree & Gortavale I give devise and bequeath to my son John Wilson by paying the above twenty pounds to my wife...

...Sale of rest of property [with details] to be "equally divided between Mary Elen James Henry Daniel & Thos. William Wilson my children."

I allow my children Samuel Martha Robt Hugh Jane & Andrew each one shilling if demanded.

------- end of will draft -------

RootsChat member <DyanHill> has done extensive research on this family, and I've researched them a bit as collateral kin to my own ancestors. Both of us are glad to share research notes and help anyone interested in the Wilsons of Dyan, Kilmore and adjacent townlands in County Tyrone. They're a fascinating family with a meaningful heritage in Ulster.

Annie

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Tyrone / Re: Burial place for Joseph Liggett & St. Matthews Church of Ireland records
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 19:05 GMT (UK)  »
From PRONI's Guide to Church Records - here is the listing for St. Matthews Church of Ireland, Errigal Keerogue parish (located in Ballygawley village). If one or more of your ancestors is interred at St. Matthews grave yard, you may find burial entries for them in these church records. If you find ANY Liggetts in St. Matthews church records (baptisms, marriages, burials), I'd make a note of those for future reference, even if you don't recognize that they fit into your ancestor's family.

ERRIGAL KEEROGUE, CO. TYRONE C.I. Errigal Keerogue (Armagh diocese)

On microfilm and viewable at PRONI:
Baptisms, 1812-1998; marriages, 1825-1994; burials, 1817-1998; confirmations, 1843-9, 1851-63 and 1870-97; vestry minutes, 1757 and 1829-1941; banns, 1819-21; preachers’ books, 1845-75; register of vestrymen, 1870-9; Sunday School roll books, 1849-73 and 1895-1969; Temperance Society minutes, 1892-1908.

In local custody: Vestry minutes, 1942-; preachers’ books, 1876-. MIC1/2; CR/1/70


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Tyrone / Re: Burial place for Joseph Liggett & Liggetts in Tithes & Griffith's Valuation
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 18:38 GMT (UK)  »
There was only one Liggett/Leggett of any spelling in Carnteel parish in the Tithes, but 3 in Aghaloo parish and 4 in Clogher parish.

See Tithe indexes to each parish on this very helpful County Tyrone web site, which includes PRONI source references (PRONI file numbers & microfilm numbers):

https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/

Tithe Applotment Book Indexes

Aghaloo Parish, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1825

George LEGGATE - Tullyblitty
George LEYGETTE - Cumber
George LEYGETTE - Cumber

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Carnteel Parish, 1827

Nathaniel LIGGIT - Knocknarney

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Clogher parish, 1829

Andrew LIGGIT - Cornamucklagh
John LIGGIT - Lislee
Joseph LIGGIT - Tychany
Samuel LIGGIT - Corboe

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Errigal Keerogue Parish, 1832

Andrew LIGGET - Keady
James LIGGET - Keady
Joseph LIGGET - Keady

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A brief index to Griffith's Valuation is here:

Griffiths Valuation of Ireland
https://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php

And details and maps of each parish, townland, and occupiers are listed here:

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation

There you can read details for:

James Leggett - Derrycreevy townland, Carnteel parish, Co. Tyrone
James Leggett - Keady townland, Errigal Keerogue parish, Co. Tyrone
Elizabeth Leggett - Keady townland, Errigal Keerogue parish, Co. Tyrone

Keep in mind that "Liggett" is spelled many different ways, often phonetically and not by any spelling standards like we use today. I'd highly recommend looking in all the "L" surnames in on-line indexes for variations.

Microfilmed church records at PRONI are extensive, including several of the Presbyterian congregations you've mentioned. I do suggest researching them THOROUGHLY for references to Liggetts. Aughnacloy, Ballygawley, Minterburn, and so on.

And, don't rely too strongly on what someone "told" you about this ancestor or that ancestor. Search for the records and proofs. For instance, on the lady (married to a Liggett) telling you that "Margaret Robinson" was the wife of Joseph Liggett and the couple married in 1816, what age was this informant lady when she talked with you, when did she relate this fact to you (such as last month, or 10 years ago?), where in Co. Tyrone had she lived, and how was she in a position to know about the Liggetts? Obviously she was telling you about her husband's family -- so who told HER what she was telling YOU? She wasn't born knowing anything about the Liggetts! Did her husband's mother or father tell her, or one of her husband's cousins told her? Had she researched her husband's family? How was he descended (assuming that he WAS descended) from Joseph Liggett and Margaret Robinson?

I haven't been back to Ireland and visited the "new" PRONI building, but friends and relatives report that it's wonderful.

Annie

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Tyrone / Re: Burial place for Joseph Liggett
« on: Friday 05 January 24 22:52 GMT (UK)  »
I think you're confusing some of these Ulster place names. You'd really understand more about your ancestors' families and their lives if you know what places were where.

You wrote: <<At least two of Joseph & Margaret's children were baptised at Carnteel Presbyterian Church, Clogher in 1821 and 1823 respectively, so I guess that is another church/graveyard to look at.>>

"Carnteel" is a parish and "Clogher" is a parish. There is no "Carnteel Presbyterian Church, Clogher." The Presbyterian Church you're referring to would be Aughnacloy, with records beginning in 1812. The local burial ground is St. James Church of Ireland cemetery, also in Aughnacloy. All denominations could be interred there, not just Church of Ireland members.

Why don't you share more of what you've found on the 4 identified/proven children of Joseph and Margaret Liggett whom you described? Didn't the 2 children's baptism entries of 1821 and 1823 give the father's/parents' residence at the time? My Haddens and other families baptising at that church in the 'teens and 'twenties of the 19th century included the father's name and residence for most baptisms. Was each child listed as a child of Joseph Leggett/Liggett (of one spelling or another) with residence at Keady or another location?

Keady, by the way, is a townland in Errigal Keerogue parish. It's a short distance southwest of Ballygawley village, and close to the ancient townland (and church and burial grounds) of Ballynasaggart. Kenneth Allen has posted some LOVELY photos of the Ballynasaggart church and area on geograph.ie.

I assume one son of your ancestor Joseph Liggett is William Leggett/Liggett who married Margaret Crawford in 1847 at St. Michael's, Toxteth (Lancashire, England). William was a "Joiner" and he told the clerk that his father was Joseph Leggett, also a joiner. Dozens of people have this William in their trees as a son of Joseph Liggett of County Tyrone. I haven't explored the relationship further -- Liggetts are a collateral family to my direct ancestors and I haven't traced them in-depth. However, a joiner is a highly skilled woodworker/carpenter, and this could be a man who didn't farm at all; he made his living with a workshop and not with farm land. So, was the Joseph Liggett who was a "farmer" the same man as Joseph who was a "joiner"? Needs to be researched and clarified!

John Liggett who married Eliza Wallace at Minterburn Presbyterian Church in 1872 was a widower, a farmer, and a resident of Derrycreevy; he said that his father was Joseph Liggett, farmer. John's previous wife was apparently Margaret McElroy whom he married in 1865 (in Clogherny parish), as you noted. On that 1865 marriage record, John's residence was written something like "Derrygreavney, parish of Aughaloo" (probably a clerk's error for "Derrycreevy" and in the wrong parish, as well); his father was recorded as Joseph Liggett, farmer.

There are 3 townlands called Derrycreevy (of one spelling or another) in Clonfeacle parish, County Tyrone.

There was only one Liggett/Leggett of any spelling in Carnteel parish in the Tithe Applotments (1820s-1830s). There were 3 men of that surname counted in Aghaloo parish, 3 in Errigal Keerogue parish (all at Keady) and 4 in Clogher parish.

By the time of Griffith's Valuation three decades later, more Liggetts appear -- including "James" in Derrycreevy, Carnteel parish, and a James and an Elizabeth in Keady, Errigal Keerogue parish.

Back to sources that give information about your ancestor Joseph Liggett: you said you wanted to "try and confirm his marriage details on 11 Oct 1816 to Margaret Robinson." Where did you FIRST find that name as his wife and marriage date? I see it's repeated in dozens of on-line trees, but not a single one has a source for those "facts." Tracing that supposed marriage to its origins in family stories or a bible record or whatever source should be an important part of your research.

I highly recommend John Grenham's web site for excellent research sources, and the IreAtlas townlands database. Also PRONI's Guide to Church Records (downloadable as a .PDF on the PRONI web site) and Brian Mitchell's "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland," as well as the Irish townlands database already posted in a reply to you by another researcher. Maps are a GREAT help in understanding townlands, villages, poor law unions, and parishes.

Glad to help further if you need it --

Regards,
Annie

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Tyrone / Re: Ballygawley Burials & Haddens & other families of Co. Tyrone
« on: Wednesday 03 January 24 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the Hunter-Hadden civil marriage record note. I've traced the Haddens of County Tyrone extensively for more than 30 years, and I do have all their civil records as well as many church records (especially Ballygawley's). I'm always glad to share and help others with southern County Tyrone families. Among those I've traced as neighboring families or collateral relatives, as well as my direct ancestors, are Armstrong, Atwell, Beatty/Beattie, Beavers, Best, Boyd, Brisbern/Brisbane, Burton, Busby, Caldwell/Cauldwell, Calvin/Colvin, Campbell, Cobane/Cobain, Coote, Dickson, Dillworth, Donaldson, Falls, Hadden, Happer/Hopper, Irwin/Irving, Latimore/Latimer, McDaniel, McGrann, McVey/McVeigh, Marshall, Medlow/Midlow, Mitchell, Mulligan, Murphy, Niblow/Niblock, Quinn, Rankin, Reid, Shields, Simpson, Wiggam, Wilson, Worthington, and more. Locations: mainly in parishes of Carnteel, Aghaloo, Clogher, Errigal Keerogue, Killeeshil, Clonfeacle, Donaghmore and adjacent parishes, and over the borders into counties Monaghan and Armagh.

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Tyrone / Re: Liggett family in Clogher, Tyrone
« on: Tuesday 02 January 24 21:07 GMT (UK)  »
Your Liggetts seem to have emigrated to Australia, but apparently Joseph Liggett (the father) returned to Ireland within a few years, since you found his 1870 death record at Derrycreevy. Or was the Joseph Liggett in Australia a different and younger man, perhaps a son of Joseph who died in 1870 at age 83? These aren't my ancestors but I have other Liggett relatives in County Tyrone.

"South Australian Register" newspaper

October 24 1856 - Married on the 14th inst., at Fair View Farm, by the Rev. Robert Haining, Mr. John Marrett, of Altamira Farm, Upper Dry Creek, to MISS MARTHA LIGGETT, third daughter of MR. JOSEPH LIGGETT, Derrycreevy, County Tyrone, Ireland.

August 7 1858 - Married on Wednesday, the 4th instant, at Salisbury, by the Rev. Mr. Boake, Arthur Russell, formerly of Wiltshire, England, to MARGARET, eldest daughter of JOSEPH LIGGETT, Fair River, Dry Creek, formerly of County Tyrone, Ireland.

"Londonderry Sentinel" newspaper (Ireland)

November 26 1858 - Married August 4, at Salisbury, South Australia, Mr. Arthur Russell, formerly of Wiltshire, to MARGARET, eldest daughter of MR. J. LIGGET, formerly of Tyrone.


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Tyrone / Re: Burial place for Joseph Liggett
« on: Tuesday 02 January 24 20:55 GMT (UK)  »
Since you know Joseph Liggett's children, check what churches they married in, particularly the daughters. That would have been their parents' church, and the associated graveyard would almost surely be where Joseph Liggett and his wife were buried. Any Liggett children who married 1845+ will probably be in civil registrations, so you don't need to know the church to begin a search.

Before Ballygawley Presbyterian Church was established (and began its records in 1842), many local Presbyterian families attended and were members of Aughnacloy Presbyterian Church. In fact, the early Aughnacloy church registers refer to "Aughnacloy and Ballygawley" Presbyterian Church. For instance, the earliest Aughnacloy Presbyterian Church records on microfilm at PRONI - see MIC 1P/38, Roll 4 - include births beginning in 1812, and "Registry of the Marriages celebrated by the Rev. John Anderson in the congregation of Aughnacloy & Ballygawley from the year 1812."

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Tyrone / Henry Hunter who lived in Co. Tyrone early 1800s
« on: Tuesday 02 January 24 20:13 GMT (UK)  »
The Hunters I've traced were in Mullans townland, Clogher parish, County Tyrone. "Henry Hunter" (sometimes called Harry) was counted there in various records, but Jon says he's researching a Henry Hunter from Ballyclog, just outside Stewartstown, so these are different men of the same name. Jon has found evidence suggesting his branch of the Hunter family came from Aghadowey Parish in Co. Londonderry.

"My" Henry Hunter of Mullans, Clogher parish, was married before about 1815, and had children (born abt 1815-1840) including John, Margery, Robert, Charles Alexander and Mary Ann Hunter. When Henry's son Charles Alexander Hunter married Sarah Ann Hadden in 1864 at Ballygawley Presbyterian Church, Charles' father "Harry Hunter" was a farmer, noted as "Deceased."

The only Hunter counted at Mullans in Griffith's Valuation was John Hunter, almost surely Henry's eldest son of that name. This is another indication that Henry had died before civil death registration began in 1864.

Henry Hunter's children:

1. John - married Margery Coote 1860
2. Margery - married Archibald Given 1854
3. Robert - may be the son who went to Kentucky, per 1866 family letters
4. Charles Alexander - married Sarah Ann Hadden 1864
5. Mary Ann - married Joseph Given 1860

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Tithe Applotments - Clogher parish 1829

Henry HUNTER - Mullans
Francis HUNTER - Ballimacan
James HUNTER - Ballimacan
James HUNTER - Slatmore
John HUNTER - Tamlaght
Samuel HUNTER - Ballimacan
William HUNTER - Fivemiletown Tenements (tenement)
Wm. HUNTER - Corcrevey

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Aghaloo parish 1825
Joseph HUNTER - Town & Lands of Caledon
Robert HUNTER - Mullamore

Aghaloo parish 1837
Joseph HUNTER - Town & Lands of Caledon
Robt. HUNTER - Mullamore

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Carnteel parish 1827 - no Hunters

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Clonfeacle parish 1833

John HUNTER - Tullygiven
Mrs. HUNTER - Moy
Robert HUNTER - Tullygiven
Widow HUNTER - Clonmore
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Griffiths Valuation of Ireland

Hunter John  Mullans (Killyfaddy)  Clogher Tyrone

Hunter William  Eskernabrogue  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter William  Main Street,Town of Fivemiletown  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter James  Main Street,Town of Fivemiletown  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter James  Fivemiletown  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter James  Nurchoosy Irish  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter Samuel  Ballymacan  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter George  Ballymacan  Clogher Tyrone
Hunter James  Ballymacan  Clogher Tyrone

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Ireland / Re: Hugh Henry of County Monaghan & County Antrim
« on: Tuesday 11 April 23 22:07 BST (UK)  »
Derek says about his ancestors: "Jane Henry married Anthony Barnes in the Independent Chapel, Bridge St. Walsall in 1849. Jane's father was given as Hugh Henry, Labourer, of Bradford St. Walsall."

That's more data than you see on typed on-line indexes; it's from the original marriage record.

Hugh and Ann Henry were counted in the 1861 census at Walsall:

1861 England Census - Walsall, Staffordshire

Hugh Henry - 59 (born abt 1802) - Brick maker - Ireland
Ann Henry - 59 (born abt 1802) - wife - Ireland
Mary A. Henry - 20 (born abt 1841) - dau - unmarried - Ireland
Sarah A. Henry - 25 (born abt 1836) - dau - unmarried - Ireland
James Henry - 2 - grson
George Henry - 2 - grson
Robert Henry - 6 Weeks - grson

Civil parish:  Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: Lichfield
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district:  Walsall, Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel:36
Household schedule number: 215
Piece: 2017, Folio: 21, Page Number: 40

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Hugh and Ann died in Walsall in 1871 (Hugh) and 1888 (Ann).

England & Wales Death Index, 1837-1915
Name:     Hugh Henery
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1804
Date of Registration:     Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Age at Death:     67
Registration district:     Walsall
Inferred County:     Staffordshire
Volume:     6b
Page:     422

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England & Wales Death Index, 1837-1915
Name:     Ann Henry
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1804
Date of Registration:     Jul-Aug-Sep 1888
Age at Death:     84
Registration district:     Walsall
Inferred County:     Staffordshire
Volume:     6b
Page:     339

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I think Derek has copies of those original records, as well. He lives in England and doesn't have to rely totally on Ancestry.com and LDS FamilySearch indexes for his ancestors' British records.

Thanks so much,

Annie

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