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Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Tuesday 07 February 12 17:22 GMT (UK)  »
Gosh I completely forgot about this post  ::)

I indeed eventually find Doris & Vida in the 1911 census at the home for orphaned and friendless girls. Doesn't that sound so sad  :'(

At least I know Doris went on to have a husband & 3 children, and since last posting I've had her great great grandson  :)  So alls well that ends well

Thanks again for all your advice!


Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Monday 22 June 09 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi All

Have the certificates! birth certificate shows parents as David Williams & Jane Thomas & marriage certificate shows father as David Williams also. So the 1901 census with the mispelling of Vida was indeed spot on!  :)

What's making me giggle (on Doris' marriage certificate) as somehow from being a labourer on 1901 census & Doris' birth certificate, David Williams has somehow managed to have trained as a Master Baker in the 3 yrs before his death in 1904?? Maybe a little white lie on Doris' part to make her father seem grander as her husband's father was a 'locomotive engine driver'!

Thank you so much again for your help


Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Tuesday 16 June 09 14:26 BST (UK)  »
They must be one and the same.
I guess there is no knowing for sure until I get the certificates, but that's a brilliant start.
I also looked on ancestry at the 1891 census, took me a while as the surname is stated as William not Williams! Found it via the brother in law.

Thank you so much for your help, I wouldn't have got this far without it!

I'm going to order the certificates today so will let you know what they say!


Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Tuesday 16 June 09 13:39 BST (UK)  »
I'm going to have to buy the certificates for definate proof but Anna, thanks to your searching I think they have been found! I too checked the 1901 census with just V Williams thinking the name might have been spelt wrong but couldn't find anything. You are a super sleuth  ;D

I took a look at the info you found and on ancestry is shows the name as Vala, not a name I have ever heard of. Checking the document there is definately an i in there so as you say it could be Viola or indeed Vida!

I've also checked the freeBMD for deaths between 1901 and 1911 and in 1903 there is a death of a Jane Williams in Gower aged 37 and the death of David Williams aged 52 in Gower in 1904. Which going by their ages in 1901 would be about right....... :)
Checked marriages too, and there is a marriage in Dec 1890 between David Williams and Jane Thomas. Checked births for Jane Thomas and there is one in Gower in 1865, which would also tie in with the age on 1901 census....

I hope I am not getting ahead of myself with excitement! lol


Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Monday 15 June 09 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Anna, have asked hubby if he knows when Doris died and he says can't remember. He would have been 11 in 1989 and says that's about right!  He has some memories of her and I have seen picture of him as a child with her so I think you have probably hit the jackpot!! Thank you  :)

I'm really thinking that Vida & Doris are the Gower born pair now, it would make sense.  Still doesn't explain why Vida is not on the 1901 census! I guess they must have been out! lol

Fue, thank you for the orphanage info, somewhere to start!

Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Monday 15 June 09 18:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Anna

I'm told that Vida married a 'Jones'...don't laugh! Needle in haystack comes to mind

I've found a marriage in Dec 1919 where a Vida M Williams married a Henry J Jones in Swansea, this of course could be the Vida May Williams of the Gower born Vida & Doris.

That is all I have to go on I'm afraid, as I said the inlaws aren't very forthcoming with info, my theory is there are skeletons in closets...  ;D


Glamorganshire / Re: Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Monday 15 June 09 16:45 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the warm welcome and replies, I wasn't expecting anyone to search for me! :)

I also saw the Pontardawe family and wondered if it could be the same. There is a death of a Mary Williams, aged 25, Pontardawe in Dec 1902, also a baby called Mary. Possibly if it is the same family she died in childbirth?? Gosh, I'm clutching at straws now! lol

I'm thinking the Abergavenny family but be a bit too out of the Swansea area, but will not rule it out just yet!

The Gower Doris & Vida does sound promising though, will have a look myself and see if I can find anymore out.
In the research for my own family I have come across many different name spellings, age differences and also slightly different places of birth, though all in the same area. I guess this one could be a guessing game!

Totally shocked at husband's families lack of knowledge tho, which reminds me I need to make a post in the Bristol area too! lol

THanks again for your help and if anyone comes across anything please let me know!


Glamorganshire / Doris Williams Orphaned Swansea area
« on: Monday 15 June 09 12:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi All

Was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction please?!
My husbands great grandmother, Doris Williams, was orphaned, along with her sister Vida. I think Doris was born in 1901, she married William Fraser in 1924 in Swansea.
I know that the family has never strayed far from Morriston, Mumbles and surrounding area's

According to my mother in law, Doris was brought up in an orphanage 'somewhere in Swansea', which is not very helpful. Nazareth house has been mentioned but I'm not sure if that was the name back in the early 1900's or if that's the name now?
Mother in law is very vague and seems to say different things everytime I broach the subject.  ::)
Sadly there is no-one else left in the family that would know anymore.

Any names of Swansea and surrounding area orphanages would be a great help please so I could start a search somewhere!!

Thank you in advance for any info you can give


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