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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Friday 25 November 16 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Not to worry already had them noted, and did not realise your typo
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your efforts hsfam that Thomas did have a sister Ann and I will spend some time looking for her as you suggest.
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Kenneth
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Kenneth
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 04:29 GMT (UK) »
hsfam
I have "Leeds Intelligencer 12/11/1832 and 22/031832 newspaper clippings re the Wakefield roll of Black ribbon and transportation news and Yorkshire Gazette re transportation. Also one re Pontefract QS 1832 Charles and Sarah Moss of Liverpool charged with stealing a piece of print property of Messrs Ullathorne and Routledge. Acquitted. I have not seen the I know nothing of the Nottingham 1829 coin utterance w. 12 months sentence, could she also be let out early to have the child or Charles parents arrange the baptism, as Sarah had already a child I assume someone else must have been looking after this child. Sarah does mention an earlier offence on her convict report.
I have "Leeds Intelligencer 12/11/1832 and 22/031832 newspaper clippings re the Wakefield roll of Black ribbon and transportation news and Yorkshire Gazette re transportation. Also one re Pontefract QS 1832 Charles and Sarah Moss of Liverpool charged with stealing a piece of print property of Messrs Ullathorne and Routledge. Acquitted. I have not seen the I know nothing of the Nottingham 1829 coin utterance w. 12 months sentence, could she also be let out early to have the child or Charles parents arrange the baptism, as Sarah had already a child I assume someone else must have been looking after this child. Sarah does mention an earlier offence on her convict report.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 01:50 GMT (UK) »
hsfam
The form with the native place mentioned I had overlooked for some reason I have seen the others via the Tas linc site, the indent book I mentioned where I had seen the native place mentioned I now cannot find, I have the Indent page for Sarah still though it is a rectangular book (landscape) and pages were scanned separately. I probably overlooked the faded pages doc you have pointed out. If you want to see what the book looks like the site "Founders and Survivors" has a link beside Sarah Moss convict record
The form with the native place mentioned I had overlooked for some reason I have seen the others via the Tas linc site, the indent book I mentioned where I had seen the native place mentioned I now cannot find, I have the Indent page for Sarah still though it is a rectangular book (landscape) and pages were scanned separately. I probably overlooked the faded pages doc you have pointed out. If you want to see what the book looks like the site "Founders and Survivors" has a link beside Sarah Moss convict record
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Wednesday 23 November 16 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Rosie I meant that I had not previously found that baptism and thank you again for the link. ; 
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Wednesday 23 November 16 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Difficult, but what I know working backwards
William James Moss born 18/2/1837 New Norfolk Tasmania to Charles and Sarah Moss
Death of Thomas Pilkington Moss 11/5/1845 aged 45yrs buried at New Norfolk 14/5/1845
Levi Moss transported with mother Sarah Moss wife of Charles Moss, Sarah on Hydery and Charles per England, child 2-2½ (Levi) Levi re-united with parents 1840 from Orphanage
1848 Sarah marries John Robinson as Sarah Pilkington and they reside near New Norfolk along with her sons William James Pilkington and Thomas Levi Pilkington.
William James Moss and William James Pilkington birth date (from family records) both share same birth date 18/2/1837.
Thomas Levi and William James (are brothers) from later documents.
Sarah's death places her birth closer to 1799/1800 as does Charles's
You mention Charles as native of Lincoln I cannot locate the indent for Charles which would have his native place but sure I have seen and agree (would you have a copy)
The Thomas I have shown as son of William and Maria, is the only one I have been able to make fit, that was why I have tried to find Maria's maiden name, I cannot prove he is the correct one and I cannot select the correct marriage between Sarah and her husband Charles (Thomas).
I have calculated that Levi was born March/April 1830 from his Orphanage records. This also matches Thomas Levi's death age.
When I started this search years ago I had no knowledge of where my 2 x G GF Thomas Levi Pilkington or his mother Sarah Pilkington originated. My first break through was connecting William James Pilkington and Thomas as brothers and the William James Moss birth.
Did not go into all this on my first post as it would have been too confusing.
Even though I have not been able to find the baptism that Rosie99 has supplied it is the only Levi Moss that possibly matches.
William James Moss born 18/2/1837 New Norfolk Tasmania to Charles and Sarah Moss
Death of Thomas Pilkington Moss 11/5/1845 aged 45yrs buried at New Norfolk 14/5/1845
Levi Moss transported with mother Sarah Moss wife of Charles Moss, Sarah on Hydery and Charles per England, child 2-2½ (Levi) Levi re-united with parents 1840 from Orphanage
1848 Sarah marries John Robinson as Sarah Pilkington and they reside near New Norfolk along with her sons William James Pilkington and Thomas Levi Pilkington.
William James Moss and William James Pilkington birth date (from family records) both share same birth date 18/2/1837.
Thomas Levi and William James (are brothers) from later documents.
Sarah's death places her birth closer to 1799/1800 as does Charles's
You mention Charles as native of Lincoln I cannot locate the indent for Charles which would have his native place but sure I have seen and agree (would you have a copy)
The Thomas I have shown as son of William and Maria, is the only one I have been able to make fit, that was why I have tried to find Maria's maiden name, I cannot prove he is the correct one and I cannot select the correct marriage between Sarah and her husband Charles (Thomas).
I have calculated that Levi was born March/April 1830 from his Orphanage records. This also matches Thomas Levi's death age.
When I started this search years ago I had no knowledge of where my 2 x G GF Thomas Levi Pilkington or his mother Sarah Pilkington originated. My first break through was connecting William James Pilkington and Thomas as brothers and the William James Moss birth.
Did not go into all this on my first post as it would have been too confusing.
Even though I have not been able to find the baptism that Rosie99 has supplied it is the only Levi Moss that possibly matches.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Wednesday 23 November 16 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Rosie
Thank you for that info, it also tells me that Thomas was using the name Charles, well prior to being sentenced. He was sentenced and transported as Charles and even had another child in Tasmania as Charles and Sarah, although Sarah says he was Thomas and he was buried as Thomas. Sarah's transportation record says she had left a child behind in England who I assumed must have been older or possibly even younger that Levi. Could I be bold enough to ask whether a second child was baptized at that church, although I will try to find myself. I have a few possibles for Sarah's maiden name but also possibles if he married as Charles and not Thomas. Sarah was a native of Armagh, Once again thank you, I seem to have a bit of luck with rootschat.
Thank you for that info, it also tells me that Thomas was using the name Charles, well prior to being sentenced. He was sentenced and transported as Charles and even had another child in Tasmania as Charles and Sarah, although Sarah says he was Thomas and he was buried as Thomas. Sarah's transportation record says she had left a child behind in England who I assumed must have been older or possibly even younger that Levi. Could I be bold enough to ask whether a second child was baptized at that church, although I will try to find myself. I have a few possibles for Sarah's maiden name but also possibles if he married as Charles and not Thomas. Sarah was a native of Armagh, Once again thank you, I seem to have a bit of luck with rootschat.
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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Thomas Moss 1799 Kirkburton
« on: Wednesday 23 November 16 04:39 GMT (UK) »
Searching for marriage of Thomas Moss born 12/11/1799 Almondbury son of William Moss and a Maria bap. 7/12/1799 @ Lane Independant Church Holmfirth Yorkshire. I am hoping to find that he is one and the same with a convict sent to Tasmania as Charles Moss, his wife Sarah also sent same time seperate ship along with a child Levi 2 yrs. Charles or Thomas (as stated by Sarah to be his name) sentenced 4/7/1831 York (Leeds) transported on the England 7 Yrs. I cannot progress unless I can find his mothers maiden name or Sarah's maiden name as after Charles Thomas) died Sarah married as a Pilkington, I assume to cover her convict past. Hoping to discover that Maria's or Sarah's name may have been Pilkington. When Charles (Thomas) died in Tasmania 11/5/1845 his death cert stated that he was 45 yrs and his name was Thomas Pilkington Moss. Sarah remarried in Tasmania 1848 as Pilkington and her son Levi my 2 x G grandfather from then on was called Thomas Levi Pilkington. It is quite possible that the Thomas I have selected b. Almondbury is not the correct person but he is my best bet I believe, if his mother Maria was a Pilkington or Sarah herself was then I would be on the way to solving.
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Europe / Re: Goltz family in Stettin
« on: Friday 11 March 16 22:54 GMT (UK) »
we appear to be playing cat and mouse together, so you are a resident of Aus and are descended from E dward and Sarah Clune who had 13 children, have been away from rootschat for some time but I'm sure you can send a personal message if you wish to give me your e-mail address, we could then probably get somewhere. I am also a 3 x g grandson, vis a son Arthur Sydney Goltz.