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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Ford & Yew Tree Cemetery Records
« on: Monday 05 November 18 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Could somebody please lookup the details of plot O.99 in Ford Cemetery? - John Joseph Mitchell is buried there who died in 1956.
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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Ford & Yew Tree Cemetery Records
« on: Saturday 03 November 18 17:10 GMT (UK) »Hi,
Ford M3031. John Mitchell.
John Mitchell. died 88 Blythwood St Age 55 interred 17/6/1906
John James Mitchell d Royal Infirmary age 62, int 28/12/1938
Joseph Morgan d Southern Hospital L8 age 35 int 15/2/1912
Mary Ann Morgan d Southern Hospital L8 age 56. int 15/12/1927
Thanks so much for this - really useful!
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Lancashire Lookup Offers / Re: Ford & Yew Tree Cemetery Records
« on: Tuesday 30 October 18 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Could somebody please lookup the details of plot M3031 in Ford Cemetery? - John James Mitchell is buried there who died in 1938. Is there a way of seeing who (if anyone) else is in the plot with him and who paid for it, etc?
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Dublin / Glencree reformatory records & Dublin ships crew records
« on: Monday 23 April 18 13:19 BST (UK) »
I think I have found my great great grandfather William Fleming in court in Dublin in 1868 as a 13 year old and being sent off to Glencree Reformatory for 5 years. He had a tattoo on his left hand of an 'F' according to the document I've seen and committed the crime with two other boys who all three were orphans and living at various addresses in Loftus Lane.
Does anybody know if there are any records I can access from Glencree regarding his time there 1868-73?
And also, any ideas why would three orphans all under 15 be living at 5, 9 and 3 Loftus Lane? What was there in the 1860s?
I think he would have gone on to join the merchant navy after leaving Glencree - or at least hopped on a ship to Liverpool - as he was there and getting married by 1878 and listed his occupation as 'mariner'. What records are there between 1873 and 1878 regarding ships crews going between Dublin and Liverpool?
Thanks in advance!
Does anybody know if there are any records I can access from Glencree regarding his time there 1868-73?
And also, any ideas why would three orphans all under 15 be living at 5, 9 and 3 Loftus Lane? What was there in the 1860s?
I think he would have gone on to join the merchant navy after leaving Glencree - or at least hopped on a ship to Liverpool - as he was there and getting married by 1878 and listed his occupation as 'mariner'. What records are there between 1873 and 1878 regarding ships crews going between Dublin and Liverpool?
Thanks in advance!
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Lancashire / Walton Gaol - 1891 - Court Records? Prison register?
« on: Sunday 22 April 18 19:12 BST (UK) »
Hi
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Walton Gaol 1891 - court records? prisoner register?
« on: Sunday 22 April 18 19:11 BST (UK) »
Hi
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?
My GG Grandfather was in Walton Gaol in the 1891 census. His name was William Fleming, he was a sailor/mariner and he was born 1855/6/7 in Ireland.
As far as I can tell he wasn't in for long because he was in the Electoral Register at his home address for 1889-90 and had a child born in Apr-May-Jun 1892.
I've searched the newspaper reports from the Liverpool Assizes and Police Courts and can't find any mention of him. There is also no sign of him in the Criminal Register on Ancestry. How else can I find out what he was in for?
Are there any records from the prison itself in existence for that period? Liverpool Record office say they don't have any, but they could be somewhere else?
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Lancashire / Re: Illegitimacy? Bigamy? Advice and Help Needed!
« on: Thursday 05 March 09 21:52 GMT (UK) »
Ok, now this is very strange. I think I’ve found mother Mary and younger brother Thomas in 1851 living in Turton and called Spencer.
The household is:
Mary Spencer Head Widow 49 Lancs, P? L?
Thomas Spencer Son Unmar 17 ? Pucker (cotton) Lancs, Turton
Eden Shepherd Son in law Marr 24 Stretcher Bucks, Bledow
I at first dismissed them because although Thomas was the right age, Mary’s age is slightly off what it should be. But her ages vary quite a lot. In 1841 she was 40, in 1861 she was 68 and in 1871 she was 77.
Just to be certain, I checked to see who Eden Shepherd married. And low and behold, I found the marriage between Mary Ashworth and Eden Shepherd in 1848. So his mother in law must be Mary Ashworth!
It makes sense for Thomas Spencer/Ashworth to be born in Turton as he was born just a couple of years after James.
What I cannot understand is why the whole family seem to be called Spencer around 1851??? They were all Ashworth in 1841 and all seem to be back to Ashworth by 1861. They were definitely calling themselves Ashworth as late as 1848 when Mary married Eden Shepherd. And they were calling themselves Spencer as early as 1850 when James married Mary Ann Walch. The latest reference to their last name being Spencer is in 1852 when James’ son John is born.
Can anyone decipher Mary Spencer’s place of birth from this census?
I think I have also found Eden's wife Mary Shepherd visiting a Taylor family in Radcliffe. The wife of the family she is visiting is called Margaret and was born in Pilkington and could possibly be her sister Margaret Ashworth. They are 2 doors down on the same street as James Spencer.
The household is:
Mary Spencer Head Widow 49 Lancs, P? L?
Thomas Spencer Son Unmar 17 ? Pucker (cotton) Lancs, Turton
Eden Shepherd Son in law Marr 24 Stretcher Bucks, Bledow
I at first dismissed them because although Thomas was the right age, Mary’s age is slightly off what it should be. But her ages vary quite a lot. In 1841 she was 40, in 1861 she was 68 and in 1871 she was 77.
Just to be certain, I checked to see who Eden Shepherd married. And low and behold, I found the marriage between Mary Ashworth and Eden Shepherd in 1848. So his mother in law must be Mary Ashworth!
It makes sense for Thomas Spencer/Ashworth to be born in Turton as he was born just a couple of years after James.
What I cannot understand is why the whole family seem to be called Spencer around 1851??? They were all Ashworth in 1841 and all seem to be back to Ashworth by 1861. They were definitely calling themselves Ashworth as late as 1848 when Mary married Eden Shepherd. And they were calling themselves Spencer as early as 1850 when James married Mary Ann Walch. The latest reference to their last name being Spencer is in 1852 when James’ son John is born.
Can anyone decipher Mary Spencer’s place of birth from this census?
I think I have also found Eden's wife Mary Shepherd visiting a Taylor family in Radcliffe. The wife of the family she is visiting is called Margaret and was born in Pilkington and could possibly be her sister Margaret Ashworth. They are 2 doors down on the same street as James Spencer.
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Lancashire / Re: Illegitimacy? Bigamy? Advice and Help Needed!
« on: Thursday 05 March 09 21:11 GMT (UK) »
On Genuki, it says that Pilkington is 'a township in Prestwich parish' which 'is cut into the three sections of Outwood, Unsworth, and Whitefield or Stand' and 'contains the hamlets of Ringley, Cinderhill, Blackford, and Hollins'. So it kind of makes sense that John Ashworth the elder says he was born there.
In 1871, James S. Ashworth's mother is living with him and she gives her place of birth as 'Pilkington'.
I've managed to trace the sister, Martha Ashworth. She married a man called Edward Fearnly in Bolton in 1846. She gives her birth place variously as Radcliffe (1851), Pilkington (1861), Whitefield (1871), Blackford Bridge (1881) and Prestwich (1901).
In 1861, her mother Mary Ashworth is living with her. Mary Ashworth is down on that census as being 68 and born in Ringley, which does fit with James S. Ashworth's mother in 1871.
In 1871, James S. Ashworth's mother is living with him and she gives her place of birth as 'Pilkington'.
I've managed to trace the sister, Martha Ashworth. She married a man called Edward Fearnly in Bolton in 1846. She gives her birth place variously as Radcliffe (1851), Pilkington (1861), Whitefield (1871), Blackford Bridge (1881) and Prestwich (1901).
In 1861, her mother Mary Ashworth is living with her. Mary Ashworth is down on that census as being 68 and born in Ringley, which does fit with James S. Ashworth's mother in 1871.
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Lancashire / Re: Illegitimacy? Bigamy? Advice and Help Needed!
« on: Thursday 05 March 09 15:22 GMT (UK) »I think you really need to explore each member of the 1841 family of Ashworths quite carefully, and maybe see what they put for their places of birth in later censuses.
I have started to do this and have come across something quite strange and Spencer-related!
I looked for the oldest Ashworth brother John in later censuses and although I couldn't find him in 1851, I found this family in the other censuses that looks like the right one:
1861 - Potters Row, Radcliffe
John Ashworth Head Mar 38 Dyer Lancs, Radcliffe
Ann Wife Mar 36 _ Lancs Radcliffe
Robert Son Un 17 Dyer of Cotton Lancs, Radcliffe
Mary Ann Daur Un 12 _ Lancs, Radcliffe
Sarah Daur Un 6 _ Lancs, Radcliffe
Thomas Son Un 2 _ Lancs, Radcliffe
1871 – Back Chapel, Radcliffe
John Ashworth Head Mar 48 Farm Labourer Lancs, Pilkington
Ann Wife Mar 47 _ Lancs Radcliffe
Mary Ann Daur Un 22 Cotton Weaver Lancs, Radcliffe
Sarah Daur Un 16 Cotton Weaver Lancs, Radcliffe
Thomas Son Un 12 Scholar Lancs, Radcliffe
1881 – Bowker? Road, Radcliffe
John Ashworth Head Mar 58 Chemical Labourer (unemployed) Lancs, Blackford Bridge
Ann Wife Mar 57 _ Lancs Radcliffe
Sarah Daur Un 26 Cotton Weaver Lancs, Radcliffe
Thomas Son Un 22 Stamp Maker Lancs, Radcliffe
I was puzzled as to why I couldn't find them in 1851 as they would already be married by then and their elder two children Robert and Mary Ann would be 7 and 2. Then I think I found them:
1851 – Radcliffe Hall, Radcliffe
John Spencer Head Mar 28 Dyer Lancs, Radcliffe
Ann Wife Mar 26 _ Lancs Radcliffe
Robert Son Un 7 Scholar Lancs, Radcliffe
Mary Ann Daur Un 2 _ Lancs, Radcliffe
Alice Hughes Visitor Mar 25 Weaver Lancs, Radcliffe
Mary Mitchell Hughes Visitor Daur Un 1 Lancs, Little Bolton
Now, am I going crazy or does this look like the same family??? And they are called Spencer.
This is the same census where my ancestor James is living in Radcliffe and calling himself Spencer before changing to Ashworth in 1861.