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Cheshire / Re: Ann Bennett (nee Oakes) b. Wharton 1873
« on: Friday 27 November 09 12:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Allan,

I saw your thread about your ancestor Ralph when I first came to the Cheshire section here, but I don't think we have a connection.

My Ralph's parents were John Oakes (b. Wharton c.1784) and Elizabeth ? (b. Wharton c. 1782), but I haven't been able to get back any further than that.

John and Elizabeth's other sons were Samuel (c. 1825) and William (c. 1828).

Is Backford anywhere near Wharton/Over/Davenham?

Cheers, Roger

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Cheshire / Re: Ann Bennett (nee Oakes) b. Wharton 1873
« on: Wednesday 25 November 09 17:48 GMT (UK)  »
I don't think they asked me for any i.d. the last time I had to register a death, about four or five years ago. What I was wondering was whether it was common for mothers of illegitimate children to give a false name as a means of reducing social stigma in some way, or for some other reason. I can't see what it would gain, but I was reading recently that lots of couples used the same address when they got married, because that somehow enabled them to save a fee. I think it might be that if they lived in different parishes and had banns read, they had to pay a fee in both parishes - something like that, anyway!

Ann's birth certificate gives the place of birth and the mother's address as Little Donefields, Wharton. I wondered if that might have been the address of the workhouse, because I know that's where a lot of illegitimate children were born, but I didn't find anything.  It's not an address I've come across in relation to Ralph and Lydia and their family, but when I was looking for Mary Oakes I did find one living in Great Donefields, the niece of the family, as I recall. But I decided that was probably just a coincidence, as I don't think the main family living at that address, although they were Oakeses, were related to Ralph and Lydia, or at least, not closely.

Cheers, Roger

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Cheshire / Re: Ann Bennett (nee Oakes) b. Wharton 1873
« on: Wednesday 25 November 09 15:35 GMT (UK)  »
I suppose it's also possible that Ann's mother gave an incorrect name when registering the birth - do you know whether that happened much in those days? I know that my great grandmother lied about her age in her marriage certificate. She was born in 1851 and in the 1861 and 1871 censuses her age was given as 10 and 19. She married my great grandfather in 1880 and gave her age as 19 (he was 20). Then in the 1881 census she said she was 22, but by 1891 she was 38!

I suppose the only other line of enquiry I can follow is to look for Ann's baptism in the parish register.

Cheers, Roger

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Cheshire / Re: Ann Bennett (nee Oakes) b. Wharton 1873
« on: Tuesday 24 November 09 23:04 GMT (UK)  »
You're quite right - thanks for pointing that out! I was aware of Mary Ann's existence, but having discounted her as a possible parent of Annie's (she would only have been about four when Annie was born), I lost sight of the fact that if Annie's mother was a child of Ralph and Lydia, she couldn't have the name Mary.

That means that either I've got the wrong birth certificate (and I can't find any other likely candidates in FreeBMD, especially as the one I'm relying on is clearly that of an illegitimate child, as Ann almost certainly was), or Ann wasn't in fact Ralph and Lydia's grandchild, but either a different relation or not related at all.

And yet Ralph gave her an equal share of his estate in his will, in which he also described her as his grandchild.

The mystery deepens!

Thanks again,  Roger

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Cheshire / Ann Bennett (nee Oakes) b. Wharton 1873
« on: Tuesday 24 November 09 19:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone has any information about Ann Oakes, who was born (I think) in Little Donefields, Wharton, on 5th March 1873 and married William Bennett at The Primitive Methodist Chapel in Over on 23rd July 1895.

In their marriage certificate Annie is described as a school mistress and William as a book keeper for a salt union, and in the 1911 census they're living at 22 Gladstone Street, Over, William is described as a clerk and they have four daughters, Margaret, 15, Lydia, 12, Minnie, 10, and Annie, 7.

Ann (or Annie) appears in the 1881 and 1891 censuses living with her grandparents, Ralph and Lydia Oakes, in Over. I think she was illegitimate, because there's no father mentioned in her marriage certificate, and if I've got the right birth certificate for her (again, with no father's details), her mother was Mary Oakes.

The problem is, I haven't got Ralph and Lydia having a daughter called Mary and none of the Mary Oakeses I can find in the 1861 and 1871 censuses seem to have any connection with Ralph and Lydia.

So I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Annie or about her mother (whether Mary or another of Ralph and Lydia's children - Phoebe seems the most likely).

Having said that, by his will Ralph left his estate to be divided equally between all his children (including Phoebe) and his grandchild Annie, which indicates that Annie was inheriting the share that her parent would have inherited if he/she hadn't either predeceased Ralph or been cast into outer darkness for having an illegitimate child.

Also, as this is  my first post in the Cheshire section here, I'd be only too happy to make contact with anyone who's also descended from Ralph and Lydia.

Cheers, Roger Oakes

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Antrim / Re: Deaths - Thomas and Annie Oakes
« on: Saturday 05 September 09 20:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much indeed for your welcome and for those leads - I've had trouble today with the 1911 census site and it's good to know that it's not me!  I'm sure that's the right Annie Oakes, as the date of birth given is only four days out.  Not sure about the Thomas who signed the covenant, as I'm not aware of either father or son having a second initial "O", but I'll check further. 

It's great to have some resources to work on.

Thanks again!

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Antrim / Deaths - Thomas and Annie Oakes
« on: Saturday 05 September 09 18:42 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to track down any information, including the deaths, of my great grandparents Thomas Oakes (1862) and Annie (nee Moss (1851)), who were born in Over, Cheshire, and lived there until at least 1891.  They had five children, born between 1880 and 1890.  In the 1901 England census they have all disappeared, except two of the elder children, who were by then living with their grandparents in Over.

My father told me that as a child he used to visit some cousins in Carrickfergus, and this leads me to suspect that Thomas and Annie, together with their children Thomas (1882), Ralph (1888) and John (1890), moved to Ireland some time between 1891 and 1901.  Thomas was employed as a clerk in the Cheshire salt industry and may have taken a similar job there.

I'm afraid that up to now I've had minimal success in using the Irish genealogical information that's on-line, and I'm wondering if anyone here can help me. 

Thanks.

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