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Surrey / Re: Sandys / Speer / Litchfield
« on: Tuesday 08 August 17 14:27 BST (UK)  »
"Wilson Speer - apart from bur at TD 24 Apr 1796, I have no more about him except that I believe he was not just an infant and from the Bank of England note, it seems he is a son of a William Speer who died c 1805-1806 whereas William Speer husband of Mary died in 1844.  He is possibly then some sort of cousin.
Bank of England will extract;  Wilson Speer of Park Prospect Westminster, Esquire, died possessed of £200 of these annuities and dying intestate Letters of Administration dated at Doctors Commons the 29th of Apr 1796 were granted to **William Speer, Esq, the natural and lawful father of the said deceased who may dispose of this stock.  Registered 10 May 1796. ( ** refers to a note in the margin - William Speer is dead as appears by Letter of Admon of the goods unadministered of the said Wilson Speer granted at Doctors Commons 19 December 1805 to William Speer Esq the son and administrator.  Registered 2 January 1806)"

Excellent - this must mean Wilson Speer is the brother of William Speer (1764) and son of William's father William Speer (c. 1717 - late Nov 1805, buried 2 Dec 1805 at TD) who also rose to Chief Clerk in the Treasury and married Katherine Wilson.  I have the following summary in my notes:

"William Speer was born on 24 October 1764 and baptised on 6 December at St. Margaret's, Westminster,  the third child of William Sr and Katherine.  Their probable first, Elizabeth Speer born 1758, named after Katherine's sister,  died in 1827 (buried St Martin in the Fields).  The second, their first son named William after his father, was born 18 January 1760, baptised 5 February 1761 and died later that year, being buried on 6 Aug 1761 in St Margaret's.  Honor Katherine Speer, named Honor after Katherine's deceased mother, was born 18 October 1762 and buried 5 June 1763, St Margaret's.  William jr. - the second attempt at an heir named after his father - survived and thrived.  A further son, Francis Townley Speer, was born on 25 August 1771 and buried on 17 October that year."

However, I have not been able to find the birth particulars of Wilson Speer as son of William & Katherine.

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Surrey / Re: Sandys / Speer / Litchfield
« on: Sunday 06 August 17 15:50 BST (UK)  »
With Westminster archives available online via our Library I now have William Speer's (b.1764) nineteen children by Mary nee Jellico as follows:

Mary Speer (b. end 1784? buried St Margaret Westminster 5 April 1785)
William Speer (b. 8 December 1785, bap 3 January 1786, d. ?before Sep 1796)
Thomas Wilson Speer (b. 2 December 1786, bap 1 January 1787 buried 11 March 1787 St Margaret)
Eliza Katherine Speer / Katherine Eliza Speer (b. 7 October 1787, bap Katherine Eliza 6 November 1787, d. 1859 buried St Nicholas Thames Ditton)   spinster
Maria Speer (b. 12 November 1788, bap 15 December 1788, buried 11 October 1871 St. Nicholas) spinster
Anna Matilda Speer (b. 12 July 1790, bap 5 August 1790, d?)
Frances Speer (b. 1792, buried 9 January 1861 St Nicholas) spinster
Edward Speer (b. 1793, buried 18 November1859 Addlestone, Surrey) bachelor
Henry Speer (b. 7 May 1793 bap 3 June 1793, d?)
Arthur Speer (b. 14 July 1794, bap 11 August 1794, buried 21 September 1794 St Margarets)
Wilson Speer (buried 1796 St Nicholas Thames Ditton)
William Speer (b. 21 September 1796, bap 22 October 1796, buried 1796 Thames Ditton)
Cecilia Speer (b. 16 May 1799, bap 11 June 1799, died - 1863 )  m Hannibal Sandys 1825
Wilfred Speer (b. 21 September 1800, bap 21 October 1800 -1856)  m. Sarah Speer 1830 (presumed a cousin)
Adelin Speer (b. 10 November 1801, baptised 24 December 1801, d. 1835, buried St Nicholas Thames Ditton)
Eleanor Speer (b. 13 March 1803, bap 11 April 1803, d. before 1811?)
Wilhelm Speer (b 18 July 1804, bap 14 August 1804, d. 1857) m. Mary Taylor 1853
Constance (bet 1807-1812 , d 1863) spinster
Eleanor Speer (1811-1880)  m. William Dancer 1855

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Wednesday 15 October 14 10:53 BST (UK)  »
According to the rates Valuation List 1880, a Capt Lambert occupied Blandford (not Brandford) Cottage Weston Green owned by Michael Abrahams.  He is probably i/d with Robert Lambert Capt 43rd Light Infantry, 2nd son of Sir John Lambert GCB (1772-1847) 

CAPT Robert LAMBERT (b.25 Oct 1818) married Alice Elizabeth SMITH 30 Jan 1868, and died 4 Aug 1917)
Children:
MAJ Robert LAMBERT (b.17 Sep 1873 d.19 Dec 1955)
married Henrietta Isabella LOWTHER (m.21 May 1898 d.31 Jan 1950)
Alice Mary LAMBERT (d.10 Jun 1939) married Henry Rodolph DE SALIS JP (m.9 May 1893 d.25 Feb 1936 suicide Leamington)
Bessie LAMBERT (b.9 Jun 1875)


Major Robert Lambert born on 17 September 1873 married Henrietta Isabella Lowther, daughter of George William Lowther and Mary Frances Alice Bingham, on 21 May 1898.  He died on 19 December 1955 at age 82.   He was Justice of the Peace (Shropshire), Captain 8th Hus, ret as Honour Maj, served Boer War.   Companion, Distinguished Service Order (D.S.O.) 1900.

Child of Major Robert Lambert and Henrietta Isabella Lowther
    Alice Winsome Lambert was by her own statement 'the last of the Lambert family' whose papers, deposited in August 1984 by Mrs D Robertson of Llangollen, Clwyd (executor of Miss Lambert), via Shropshire Record Office, are now in the Surrey History Centre, Woking.  I went through them a couple of years ago. There are no photographs of that Capt Robert in the collection. 

Alice Winsome Lambert might have been 'the last' of that line of Lamberts (I have not traced her aunts), stemming from General Sir John Lambert, but the branch of the family stemming from Admiral George Robert lambert, Gen. Sir John's youngest brother, survives as the earlier posts in this thread testify.

Blandford cottage still stands under that name.

I would be most interested to know your part of the Lambert family history.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Monday 30 December 13 14:47 GMT (UK)  »
Are you in touch with the other descendants of Admiral George L in Australia?  - I'll leave it to them to pm you if not.

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Europe / Re: Paris, France: James (Jacques) Francis Xavier Whyte
« on: Monday 30 December 13 10:34 GMT (UK)  »
I've just seen these replies, Isabelle - my notifications don't appear to have been working.

Thanks for the additional info.  Yes, he was in the Irish brigades as a colonel but I did not know of the de la Garotterie connection (intriguing name!).

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Monday 30 December 13 06:39 GMT (UK)  »
I'm a direct descendant of Capt Robert Alexander Lambert" . . . .

Fascinated to learn more about your own genealogy either here or via pm.

From your choice of username I'm guessing Gen Sir John, who took fort Bowyer in the second battle the following year and who is buried a mile or two away from here. Alice Winsome Lambert believed herself the last of that line, but some branches I have not tracked down. 

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Sunday 29 December 13 22:10 GMT (UK)  »
This is wonderful context for the paintings. I've sent a link to hi-res photos... hope they are helpful and glad that we can add Robert and Catherine's images back into the story of the Lamberts.

I purchased the paintings in 2006 in Baltimore, Maryland from a neighbor/art collector. He was selling some of his collection and we loved the matched set of paintings and the story of the Lamberts (as was relayed to us at the time). According to our neighbor, he bought them in England from a broker who got them at an estate sale.

Excellent.  I haven't received the links yet.  In case of error, I will re-send by pm my email address.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Sunday 29 December 13 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Will of Robert Stuart Lambert, Vice-Admiral in the Navy: 
......"I give to my dear Brother John after my death the silver family Christening Cup and also my dear father and Mother's pictures and also my uncle Cussans picture  To my dear Brother Samuel my Gold Watch that I always wear  To my dear Brother George the sword presented to our dear Brother Henry by the patriotic fund".......

I have not retrieved the following wills but the likely course of inheritance is as follows, as the family papers ended up with Alice Winsome Lambert:  General Sir John Lambert will have left the family heirlooms via his wife Jane to his eldest son John Arthur Lambert (Maj - Genl) who died without issue.  John Arthur's younger brother Robert (capt in the army) was the surviving member of that family, and Alice Winsome Lambert, army Capt. Robert's grand-daughter, was the sole survivor of army Capt. Robert's son Robert, also in the army.

((Comment: the sword that Capt. Henry Lambert RN carried on his fateful action is now with the USS Constitution Museum in Boston.  It was believed by the Museum to be probably a sword presented to Henry after the Mauritius Campaign.  The patriotic fund sword may have been from his earlier action against the Psyche.  cf. Glenalta's story of heirlooms in Australia, above!))

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London and Middlesex / Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
« on: Sunday 29 December 13 15:13 GMT (UK)  »
PS it might help in your researches on the artist to know that Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert died 21 December 1805 - the Gentleman's magazine has it right, other sources including the peerage and the Oxford DNB entries on his sons have it wrong.

I see from the national Portrait Gallery: " In 1804, Jackson moved to London. He began studying at the Royal Academy schools and by 1807 had established himself as a portrait painter"

The possible date of the paintings therefore, if we have the subjects and the artist right, would be 1804-1805.   Capt. L (as his wife calls him in her diaries) would have been 72-73 and Catherine 52-53, which seems to fit with the aspect of the subjects in your paintings.

For what it may be worth, I have swiftly searched Catherine's diaries for any mention of Jackson's early patrons Phipps, Beaumont and Frederick Howard, 5th Earl of Carlisle, on the off-chance there might have been an even earlier acquaintance with the young Jackson, but no trace of any of them (though a couple of years later Catherine was a friend in Brighton of Lady Julia Howard, wife of Earl of Suffolk)

There is no mention of Jackson in the diaries.  There is a diary for 1804, but there is no diary for 1805 (I suspect because of the trauma of Capt L's sudden death Catherine or a descendant may have destroyed it; there is no diary for the year in which her son Capt Henry Lambert RN was killed, either).  So - I'm speculating that the portrait of Capt L. was done in 1805, the year he died.

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