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Now, at 49C, is a new member of the cast, labelled as one Tinley Mason, died 10th April, 1872, aged
28.

FreeBMD record this as occurring in Q2, 1872, registered at W.Derby, Vol. 8b, page 181.

West Derby is actually a suburb of Liverpool !

Ancestry has him "Born in Liverpool on 1844 to Robert Mason and Susanna Tinley"; and for his father, Robert:-
Born in Lakes, Derby on 1811. Robert married Susanna Tinley (b. 1818) and had 7 children.

•   Margarette Mason 1838-Unknown
•   Susanna Mason 1840-Unknown
•   Augusta Mason 1843-Unknown
•   Tinley Mason 1844-Unknown
•   Rusalia Mason 1846-Unknown
•   Edith Mason 1848-Unknown
•   Constance Mason 1853-1936

Now, the mother of Martha, the owner of this album, was one Mary mason, born Jan 1772, the daughter of one - Robert Mason.  So I guess that Tinley's father was Martha's brother... but I have yet to prove it.  Were that so, Tinley was Martha's nephew, and slightly younger than her second son (see below), so they might have been close.

I haven't yet found out why he died so young.

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...and here (49B) is whom I believe to be her third son, Arthur Thornewill, born 21 April, 1853, whose pic I believe also appears at 48D, see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684829.0

How old is he here / when was the photograph taken?

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I believe this (43A) to be her eldest son, the Rev. Charles Thornewill, born 14 April 1841.

How old is he here / when was the photograph taken?

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Cartes de Visite Album, Page 49
« on: Monday 28 April 14 00:02 BST (UK)  »
My grandmother's grandmother was Martha Hammond Thornewill (of Burton-o[-Trent) nee Wright (of Eyam).  I have her album of some 150 Cartes de Visite, with not very many of them identified.    I have scanned the empty pages, and front & back of each card. 

Can you tell me what date each of these is from, please?  That will help me to establish the year of birth, which just might enable me to identify the subject !  Information about the Studio would be of interest, too.

Page 49 contains three man and a lad.  One man is identified; the others I believe to be the owner's three sons, who previously appeared with her on previous page, Page 48, see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684829.0

Do you agree? 

I'm posting the lo-res versions, so please don't bother to try to improve them.

I am gathering the comments to store in a file alongside the pictures, and, when finished, it will be quite a task to analyse them all and draw deductions as to the identity of some currently unknown.

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Does anyone agree with my suppositions?  Or have any answers?

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Cartes de Visite Album, Page 47
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 19:09 BST (UK)  »
Victoria Woodcock of the Geological Society was so kind as to write, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:56 PM

47C:
It is indeed John Phillips, see:
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Library-and-Information-Services/Exhibitions/The-Societys-portrait-and-bust-collection/Portrait-of-John-Phillips

47D
The person underneath is Sir Roderick Impey Murchison, see: https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/geologyOfBritain/archives/pioneers/pioneers.cfc?method=viewRecord&personId=162

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Cartes de Visite by Camille Silvy
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 18:38 BST (UK)  »
A very helpful person at the National Portrait Gallery
http://www.npg.org.uk/
was so kind as to write to me, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:34 PM

I have looked through the various pages [on Cartes de Visite] illustrated on rootschat, ....

I also noticed a number of cartes-de-visite by Camille Silvy. Note that we have the daybooks from Silvy’s studio in our collection. See the following link for more details (look at the listing for albums 1-12):
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/about/photographs-collection/photographic-holdings-albums.php

With just a surname, it is possible to search (we have a database of sitters in the daybooks) for particular sitters and find a match, thus also helping to date the photographs. Where a name is not known, it is possible to go through the daybooks and locate the images, but there are twelve volumes containing approximately 17000 images.

[Footnote originally added has been removed at her request]

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Cartes de Visite Album, Page 46
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 18:35 BST (UK)  »
A very helpful person at the National Portrait Gallery
http://www.npg.org.uk/
was so kind as to write to me, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:34 PM

Subject: RE: Edward VII and Queen Alexandra

I have looked through the various pages illustrated on rootschat, but unfortunately, most of the sitters did not stand out to me as recognisable in the same way as Edward and Alexandra, apart from the following few:

Page 46 - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684249.0

46A:
This is Edward Stanley, 14th Earl of Derby:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw111071/Edward-Stanley-14th-Earl-of-Derby
We also have several other poses from this sitting.

46B:
This is Queen Alexandra by Georg Emil Hansen:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw136401/Queen-Alexandra?search=sp&sText=Ax131389&firstRun=true&rNo=0

According to H. & A. Gernsheim, 'Edward VII and Queen Alexandra' (1962), this was taken in January or February, shortly before her marriage. The same image was also used for the sheet music cover for 'Alexandra Mazurka' by Ferdinand Praeger:

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw240032/Queen-Alexandra?search=sp&sText=D42763&firstRun=true&rNo=0


46C:
This is Sir William Fairbairn, 1st Bt:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw113745/Sir-William-Fairbairn-1st-BtLinkID=mp82798&search=sas&sText=Sir+William+Fairbairn%2C+1st+Bt&role=sit&rNo=0


46D:
This is Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s consort:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw113455/Prince-Albert-of-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

This is one of several copies we have in our collection.


[Footnote originally added has been removed at her request]

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Cartes de Visite Album, Page 47
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 18:34 BST (UK)  »
A very helpful person at the National Portrait Gallery
http://www.npg.org.uk/
was so kind as to write to me, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:34 PM

Subject: RE: Edward VII and Queen Alexandra

I have looked through the various pages illustrated on rootschat, but unfortunately, most of the sitters did not stand out to me as recognisable in the same way as Edward and Alexandra, apart from the following few:

Page 47
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684730.0

47A:
This is Florence Barbara Maria (née von Sass), Lady Baker.
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp65166/florence-barbara-maria-nee-von-sass-lady-bakersearch=sas&sText=Florence+Barbara+Maria+%28n%C3%A9e+von+Sass%29%2C+Lady+Baker

You’ll notice ours show her in the same clothes, slightly different poses and are by the London Stereoscopic & Photographic Company. It could be that she attended both studios on the same day? Or the London Stereoscopic & Photographic Company occasionally published photographs by other photographers and this may have occurred.


47B:
This is Sir Samuel White Baker:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw114689/Sir-Samuel-White-Baker?search=sp&sText=Ax18286&firstRun=true&rNo=0


47D:
This is Sir Roderick Impey Murchison, 1st Bt:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw114503/Sir-Roderick-Impey-Murchison-1st-Btsearch=sp&sText=Ax18339&firstRun=true&rNo=0



[Footnote originally added has been removed at her request]

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