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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Shellingford, 17th & 18th information for Crip(p)s
« on: Wednesday 02 January 13 13:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou so much for checking that Sue.

Edmond & Margaret are Lindsay's ancestors,  through their son John born in 1716,  sadly the Buckland baptism registers don't seem to have survived before 1691 so we may never find a baptism for Edmond,  but when I spotted those 2 marriages in Shellingford in the IGI I thought it would be worth a check just to see if it was there, both Philips seem to have lived in Buckland,  so thank you for checking the area for us.

 :)

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Oxfordshire / Re: John Henry Page Hornton OXF.
« on: Wednesday 02 January 13 12:03 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Tuesday 01 January 13 18:11 GMT (UK)
Don't think John Henry really knew how old he was?! ;D

1881 census, Reference RG11, Piece 1524, Folio 76, Page 18
Hornton, Oxfordshire

Page, John Henry  Head  M  27  Ag Lab  b Hornton
Freeman, Ann  Boarder  24  b Newton Purcell

That puts his birth about 1844?


The same John Page is a Shepherd on the 1861 census, at Tysoe, Warwickshire.
RG09, 2240, 21, 36

Ummm   if he is 27 in 1881 that makes his year of birth about 1854 - not 1844   ;)

This does look like the John Henry who was baptised in 1852 in Horton son of John & Esther Page - lab

He is with Esther & her next hubby William Ashby in 1871 in Hornton,  John Page, age 19, unmarried, wife's son, lab born Hornton.

That is the only baptism for children to John & Esther in Hornton.

 :)

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Shellingford, 17th & 18th information for Crip(p)s
« on: Wednesday 02 January 13 11:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi I am trying to help Lindsay on the Oxfordshire board with her Crips family and we have have tracked them back to a likely marriage in Buckland in 1700 between Edmond Cripps and Margaret Bennet,  some of the other members of the Cripps family in Buckland at that time seem to have come from Shellingford (Philip & Margaret Cripps) can anyone check the Shellingford registers for us to see if there is any earlier information?  we are particulalry looking for a baptism for an Edmond Cripps about 1675, but anything would be good.

TIA

 :)

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Cripps (Crips/Crippes) Bampton
« on: Sunday 30 December 12 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Lindsay   :)

You are very welcome - I have really enjoyed this puzzle over the last couple of days,  please let me know how you get on fitting it all in, and anything else you find, sometimes I may not get on the board for a few days as I am self employed and work has to come first,  but I have got intrigued with the various branches of the Cripps family  I shall carry on digging for a bit and see what else I can find.

Thanks for the nice comment Nigel

DebbieG

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Cripps (Crips/Crippes) Bampton
« on: Sunday 30 December 12 15:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lindsay,  so sorry to have been the bearer of ill tidings   :(

I have been working out another bit of evidence which I think ties in.  There is a will on the Oxfordshire FHS board here

http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/basson_001.html

For a Sarah Basson,  but I am fairly sure it should be Baston,  I have found her in the 1841 & 51 census's in Aston as born 1778 in Aston,  she mentions some Cripps relations which I think are your family (though it would have helped if she had given George his full name of George Jones Cripps).  The will says she is a widow but makes it fairly plain she had no children of her own,  she refers to John, James, Edmund and George Cripps as her first cousins children of her aunt & uncle John & Mary Cripps (though in fact John was the child of Johns first marriage to Elizabeth).  I have been working through the rellationships to see how it fits.

John Cripps (b1716) & Sarah (nee Allen) of Buckland had among their children a Betty Cripps born 1746,  there is a marriage in Bampton in 1771 of a Betty Cripps to  Joseph Rickets.  They had 2 daughters Maria in 1772 and Sara in 1778. Betty Rickets of Aston is buried in 1826 aged 79 which gives the correct approx date of birth of 1746.   Then there is a marriage in Shifford in 1799 of  John Baston to a Sarah Rickets and the Sarah Baston in the 1851 census is the correct age to be the daughter of Joseph & Betty Rickets.

So I think this is a further bit of evidence for the theory I put forward above.

I hope you don't mind too much going back through your papers  :-\ 

DebbieG

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Cripps (Crips/Crippes) Bampton
« on: Sunday 30 December 12 12:31 GMT (UK)  »
I next checked the Oxford will index,  sadly nothing for John Cripps 1837,  but there was an entry for a John Crips yeoman of Lew died 1785 and from a booklet I have listing of persons named in wills (Eureka partnership)  I found that John d1785 mentioned a wife Sarah and sons John & Edmond (an Edmond Cripps was witness at both of John's marriages),  there is no Edmond baptised to a John in Bampton at the right sort of time period,  I found the Alverscot family of John & Sarah (nee Sambidge) that you mentioned,  but they didn't have an Edmond either, or a John,  this is born out by notes from the 1774 will of Sarah Sambidg of Alvescot in which she mentions her daughter Sarah wife of John Crips and Grandaughters Ann, Betty & Mary Crips but no grandsons.

Another slightly strange thing was although there is the 1785 will for John Cripps of Lew mentioned and a 1801 will for a Sarah Cripps widow of Lew  I couldn't find burials for either of these people in the Bampton transcripts.

Hunting around I came up with a baptism at Buckland (just over the boarder into Berkshire)  1751 Edmond son of John & Sarah Cripps.

further back a marriage 1743 Buckland
John Cripps to Sarah Allen

Other baptisms of children of John & Sarah (all Buckland)
Ann 1744
Betty 1746
Sarah 1749
Edmund (as above) 1751
John 1754
James 1757

The baptism of John in 1754 fits well with the 1837 burial in Aston of John aged 83 which I mentioned before,  but what was really great was a burial in 1785 (Sep 4) of John Cripps of Lew Oxf. aged 69 and one 1801 Sarah Cripps of Filkins Oxf. aged 88.

If John was 69 at his death in 1785 it ties in well with a baptism in Buckland 1716 of John son of Edmund & Margaret Cripps.

  :)

DebbieG

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Cripps (Crips/Crippes) Bampton
« on: Sunday 30 December 12 11:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lindsay

I don't know which bits you have already so I am going to try and put what I found yesterday in a logical order,  it might be a bit long winded - please bear with me. :)

I have copies of the register transcripts for Bampton (OFHS) and at the period we are looking at they are quite good at distiguishing which families came from which hamlet that makes up the parish of Bampton.  I found the baptisms of James (1796) Edmond (1798) and George Jones (1803)  all children of John & Mary Cripps of Lew,  there are some earlier baptisms of children of John & Mary of Aston but I think this is a different couple.  I found Mary still alive in the 1851 census living in Aston with son George Jones Cripps  she was born abt 1767 in Langford.

Marriage from Langford 28th Dec 1795 John Cripps wid (x) to Mary Jones (sp) witnessed by  James Jones & Edmund Cripps

In the Bampton registers a marriage  1786 15th Sept
John Cripps of Lew to Elizabeth Johnson of Bladon
witnessed Soloman Clarke & Edmond Cripps

Baptisms for 3 children of John & Elizabeth Cripps of Lew Susanna 1789, Martha in 1791 & John 1793

Burials in 1794 Elizabeth Cripps of Lew age 26 and Susanna Crips of Lew age 5.

There are several trees online for this family but most seem to have mixed them up.

I looked to find Johns burial - Mary seems to be a widow in 1841 as well,  the most likely one was in 1837 for a John Crpps of Aston aged 83 - that would give a year of birth of abt 1754 however I couldn't see a baptism for a John Crip(p)s in the baptism registers of Bampton at that sort of time.

TBC

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Oxfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John Cripps (Crips/Crippes) Bampton
« on: Saturday 29 December 12 15:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lindsay

I thought I would have a bit of a look at this for you today,  I see from your previous posts that you are descended from Edmond Cripps born about 1798 in Lew and after the bits I found today I wondered if you had considered that his grandfather might be John Cripps baptised in 1716 in Buckland,  just over the boarder in Berkshire,  the son of Edmond & Margaret (nee Bennet) Cripps?  there are a few clues that make me think it might be so - rather than the one born in Bampton.  Have you looked at this?

 :)

DebbieG

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Oxfordshire / Re: WILKINS Family Kencot 1750 - 1900
« on: Friday 28 December 12 11:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Grafton,  after a quick look at the register transcripts (OFHS) I can say there are definitly quite a few Wilkins's in Kencot,  they are probably related,  if you can tell us a bit more about the information you already have (have you found them in any census etc?) and who particularly you are looking for we may well be able to help you.   :)

DebbieG

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