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England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 21:21 BST (UK)  »
 Re: for the experts
« Reply #31 on: Today at 09:07:01 »

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Sorry for the delay.
Let me try to clarify the comments in my earlier post.

Quote from: Guy Etchells on 29 August 2022, 21:46:59

    Your PDF starts off-
    “I have recently discovered that my DNA matches the DNA of several living male Weedons
    located in Virginia, USA who, it can be shown through traditional genealogical evidence to
    be related to General George Weedon (GGW) a participant in the Revolutionary War and a
    personal friend of George Washington (first US president)”
    That to me is very vague, you may carry the same DNA as the above but you have not shown or proved what lineage the DNA travelled from them to you.

What you are showing is simply you have some DNA in common with those living people, you have not shown where that DNA originates. The DNA may have come from General George Weedon or it may have come from his wife or indeed there is even a possibility it may have come from other unrelated people in history.  You do not mention whether the amount shared in significant or simply little more than a trace.
That is why I asked.

Quote from: Guy Etchells on 29 August 2022, 21:46:59

    Do you have a paper trail that links you to the people you mention such ancient DNA could have been passed on to you through illegitimate offspring throughout the intervening years rather than through the legitimate linages. It would still show heritage but in the way a female linage is shown through different surnames.

Does your independent research link you to the same common DNA ancestor as any of the living Weedons?
You have not mentioned any Parish Register evidence to support your theories (apart from one mention of a Bishops Transcript of the marriage of George Weedon and Ann Beck) but seem to be relying on the notoriously inaccurate transcripts of transcripts that is the IGI. You are also assuming the wills mentioned are for your ancestors without providing the supporting links to add weight to your assumptions.
Have you looked for a reason to assume the move from Rickmansworth to Wooburn? For instance the link between Watford & Rickmansworth could be the Watford was a market town where farmers etc. would commonly meet. In a similar way Rickmansworth would be a hub for farmers with a number of mills to grind their corn etc. but why Wooburn in a different county? It is true Wooburn is not a huge distance from Rickmansworth but people usually have a reason to make a move and such reasons can add additional weight to assumptions.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Guy

20
The Common Room / Re: Marriage Bonds
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Now with a further question about bonds - were these the province of well to do individuals or did the poor ever take marriage bonds?

In addition to Stan's reply I would add the bond was to idemnify the clergyman if the marriage was unlawful. Bearing that in mind yes people of all social classes could be obliged to take out a bond.
Cheers
Guy
For an example see
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/Bond_%20Andrew_Guy_1802.jpg

21
England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 20:32 BST (UK)  »
Reply #31. RootsChat discourages posting names of living people and other identifying information on the public forum. You should remove the name of your match.

Oh I am terribly sorry for upsetting you but the people I referred to were married in the year 1629 so if my arithmetic is accurate I very much doubt if they are alive.
However if they do happen to be alive I most profusely apologise to them and congratulate them on their longevity.
Cheers
Guy

22
England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 15:31 BST (UK)  »
You asked for critical reviews of your genealogical sleuthing and as few seemed to even want to look at your PDF let alone review it I posted my thoughts after quickly reading it.
You then seemed to want me to elucidate further which I did.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but I have little interest in your Ancestry and cannot spend any more time on it.
Cheers
Guy

23
My DNA test kit is in transit to me. On Friday Ancestry offered me a 1-year UK subscription for £60 or worldwide subscription for £90. How is essential is it that I subscribe to one of these to get the most from my test ?

Zaph

I am a bit late in replying.

It is not essential at all as all testing companies give a short term subscription to their databases with the test kit.
This free subscription is long enough to dertmine if a long term membership would add any value to your research, or whether you would be better subscribing with a different company.
Cheers
Guy

24
Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA tests-is anyone else fed up?
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 09:24 BST (UK)  »
What makes me fed up is that so many people do DNA tests and make no attempt to construct any sort of family tree.
I have a number of reasonably large matches (2nd or 3rd cousin sort of range) who I don't recognise at all. They have no trees and don't respond to any messages. I wonder why they bothered to test. Surely they can't all be doing it because they want to find out their ethnicity.
The other type that makes me fed up are those that clearly have an incorrect tree but continue to keep it on Ancestry to mislead others. I have an 80 cM across 6 segments match to a person who states his maternal grandfather was the man married to his maternal grandmother, but who died in 1917, 3 years before his mother was born. He knows that his grandfather was KIA in WW1, but will not change his tree. I have shared matches with him and numerous identified cousins from one branch of my tree and it is almost certain that his biological grandfather was related to this branch. But he doesn't seem interested in pursuing it further.

I have just seen that this is quite an old thread, maybe OP and the early posters have different opinions now.
I think the adverts are stressing the ethnicity results to prevent lawsuits.
At one time they were promoting DNA as the means of tracing ancestors and yes it does help in that regard but the people it helps most are those who already have a good solid tree to build on. I suspect as DNA testing took off the lawyers suggested a change of emphasis to prevent claims that could bankrupt the companies.
Cheers
Guy
PS Ethnicity is one of those safe words that has no real specific definition.

25
England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 09:07 BST (UK)  »
Sorry for the delay.
Let me try to clarify the comments in my earlier post.

Your PDF starts off-
“I have recently discovered that my DNA matches the DNA of several living male Weedons
located in Virginia, USA who, it can be shown through traditional genealogical evidence to
be related to General George Weedon (GGW) a participant in the Revolutionary War and a
personal friend of George Washington (first US president)”
That to me is very vague, you may carry the same DNA as the above but you have not shown or proved what lineage the DNA travelled from them to you.
What you are showing is simply you have some DNA in common with those living people, you have not shown where that DNA originates. The DNA may have come from General George Weedon or it may have come from his wife or indeed there is even a possibility it may have come from other unrelated people in history.  You do not mention whether the amount shared in significant or simply little more than a trace.
That is why I asked.

Do you have a paper trail that links you to the people you mention such ancient DNA could have been passed on to you through illegitimate offspring throughout the intervening years rather than through the legitimate linages. It would still show heritage but in the way a female linage is shown through different surnames.
Does your independent research link you to the same common DNA ancestor as any of the living Weedons?
You have not mentioned any Parish Register evidence to support your theories (apart from one mention of a Bishops Transcript of the marriage of George Weedon and Ann Beck) but seem to be relying on the notoriously inaccurate transcripts of transcripts that is the IGI. You are also assuming the wills mentioned are for your ancestors without providing the supporting links to add weight to your assumptions.
Have you looked for a reason to assume the move from Rickmansworth to Wooburn? For instance the link between Watford & Rickmansworth could be the Watford was a market town where farmers etc. would commonly meet. In a similar way Rickmansworth would be a hub for farmers with a number of mills to grind their corn etc. but why Wooburn in a different county? It is true Wooburn is not a huge distance from Rickmansworth but people usually have a reason to make a move and such reasons can add additional weight to assumptions.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Guy

26
England / Re: for the experts
« on: Sunday 04 September 22 18:42 BST (UK)  »

Response to Guy is in bold italics.

Snip

Cheers
Guy
Sorry for not replying sooner. I have been away in Dorest for a few days and not on the internet and have just got back home in Yorkshire. I will refresh my memory of the thread later this evening a reply either this evening or tomorrow morning.
Cheers
Guy

27
England / Re: for the experts
« on: Monday 29 August 22 21:46 BST (UK)  »
Your PDF starts off-
“I have recently discovered that my DNA matches the DNA of several living male Weedons
located in Virginia, USA who, it can be shown through traditional genealogical evidence to
be related to General George Weedon (GGW) a participant in the Revolutionary War and a
personal friend of George Washington (first US president)”

That to me is very vague, you may carry the same DNA as the above but you have not shown or proved what lineage the DNA travelled from them to you.
Do you have a paper trail that links you to the people you mention such ancient DNA could have been passed on to you through illegitimate offspring throughout the intervening years rather than through the legitimate linages. It would still show heritage but in the way a female linage is shown through different surnames.
In other words, it may be showing heritage rather than lineage.
I did not look further to see if you had provided bmd sources for your lineage or whether you simply relied on claims of “traditional genealogical evidence” without weighing up the evidence yourself or indeed checking to see if there was a plausible alternative individual to the one claimed.
Cheers
Guy

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