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Messages - Guy Etchells

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Scotland / Re: Illegitimacy and fathers name
« on: Friday 09 September 22 09:46 BST (UK)  »
Spot on.

The regulations stipulated that the name of the father of an illegitimate child could only be recorded on the child's birth certificate if the father accompanied the mother when she went to register the birth and signed the certificate alongside her.

Only from 1875
Not so.

That may have been the case in England and Wales, but the following is an extract from the text of the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1854: XXXV. In the Case of an illegitimate Child it shall not be lawful for the Registrar to enter the Name of any Person as the Father of such Child, unless at the joint Request of the Mother and of the Person acknowledging himself to be the Father of such Child, and who shall in such Case sign the Register as Informant along with the Mother ....

Yes as I previously conceded (in answer to Lodger) I had made an error.

However how did the Scottish Registrar know if the couple was married as the was no necessity in law for the couple to have gone through any ceremony.
As Sir Patrick Ford said on the matter "The only difficulty is the proof and the Scottish law is very extraordinary with regard to that."
See also http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rtn/
Cheers
Guy

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Scotland / Re: Illegitimacy and fathers name
« on: Thursday 08 September 22 09:40 BST (UK)  »

I always assumed that it was from 1855 here in Scotland? Can you tell me where you found the 1875 ruling please Guy?
Thanks
Lodger.
Yes my mistake the 1875 legislation only covered England and Wales.

The problem with marriages in Scotland was/is that in Scotland marriage only requires consent.
As stated by Sir Patrick Ford in this extract.:-

"In Scotland, marriage is purely a contract by consent between the parties. It requires nothing else but that consent and that must be de presenti; that is to say, not in the future, but here and now, for all time they say, "We are man and wife"; and for the protection of the female it is also provided that a promise of marriage subsequente copula, on the strength of the promise, if the girl can prove that promise before the act took place, also constitutes marriage. I think that is only fair to all parties. The only difficulty is the proof and the Scottish law is very extraordinary with regard to that. We know that besides a statement made before witnesses if the parties are by "habit and repute" living as man and wife that constitutes marriage, but there is an even more extreme case that I would like to quote because it always remains in my mind as a very interesting instance of the extremes to which Scottish law presses its principles."

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rtn/

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Scotland / Re: Illegitimacy and fathers name
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 22:16 BST (UK)  »
Spot on.

The regulations stipulated that the name of the father of an illegitimate child could only be recorded on the child's birth certificate if the father accompanied the mother when she went to register the birth and signed the certificate alongside her.

Only from 1875
Cheers
Guy

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England / Re: for the experts
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 22:08 BST (UK)  »
Surely reading the newest posts first is illogical - it's like reading the last page of a book to find out the ending  ???

It depends on whether you have been following the thread or not, if you have been following a thread with multiple pages it is handy to have it open at the last page rather than the first page.
Cheers
Guy

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 Register question
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 10:12 BST (UK)  »
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The Common Room / Re: 1939 Register question
« on: Wednesday 07 September 22 09:57 BST (UK)  »
It wasn't a census in 1939 - it was the 1939 National Register.
If we are being pedantic, it was a census, in the sense that a census is a government mandated count of the population. Arguably it provides more information than the 1841 census. However I would agree that it needs to be distinguished from the decennial counts we normally associate with the word census when discussing such matters among genealogists/family historians since we like to be punctilious when citing our sources

No if we are being pedantic it is not a census as it was taken under seperate legislation i.e. The 1939 National Registration Act rather than under the Census Act 1920 (the act that covers all census taken after 1920.)
Cheers
Guy
PS see
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~framland/genealogy/acts/1920%20Census%20Act.htm
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~framland/genealogy/acts/1939%20Registration.htm

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I am a bit late in replying.

It is not essential at all as all testing companies give a short term subscription to their databases with the test kit.
This free subscription is long enough to dertmine if a long term membership would add any value to your research, or whether you would be better subscribing with a different company.
Cheers
Guy

Zaph

My view is the opposite to Guy’s.

A subscription for at least a year is essential if you are serious about finding Family via a DNA test.

Without the subscription then following up on all the DNA matches, using Common Ancestor hints, Shared Matches and Thrulines will be far more difficult.

Put a time value on the £90 using how much you get paid per hour and the subscription has to be great vfm.


I do not dispute that but most if not all DNA kits include a short membership to the companies datasets. For example Ancestry have 3 options available when purchasing a DNA test kit at present
1 A basic kit only offer (this used toto include 7 or 14 days membership but now does not) at 59 pounds
2 An enhance offer with 3 months worldwide membership for 60 pounds, i.e. 3months for £1
3 The basic offer plus Traits for an extra 9 pounds.

To my way of thinking the only one worth taking up is offer two which gives 3 months membership in the cost so no need to subsccribe for 3 months and possibly you will have exhausted all your links in that time or at least had the chance to decide if a membership is worthwhile.
This is why I say there is no need to subscribe as a short subscription wass and is still free or almost free when you buy the kit.
Cheers
Guy

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England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 21:55 BST (UK)  »
For some reason the dash seperators I put in to seperate the posting have been taken out after 5 insertions
Cheers
Guy

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England / Re: for the experts
« on: Tuesday 06 September 22 21:53 BST (UK)  »
This is what I see
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Guy, if that's what you and KGarrad see then we must be seeing different things.  I believe that you both see that on your screens but it is obviously showing differently to MS and myself.   
Your eyes definitely don't deceive you MS.

Weird.
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Guy, if that's what you and KGarrad see then we must be seeing different things.  I believe
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Quote from: KGarrad on Today at 21:01:30
MS - I think the post you are referring to shows as reply #32 on my screen?

It's 31 on mine. By the original poster rpweedon. It was about the match in Virginia.

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« Reply #39 on: Today at 21:15:32 »
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I see same as MS reply 31 on my screen - in which RP refers to a named living person residing in Virginia.  Perhaps we are seeing different things. 

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MS - I think the post you are referring to shows as reply #32 on my screen?
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Reply #31. RootsChat discourages posting names of living people and other identifying information on the public forum. You should remove the name of your match.

Oh I am terribly sorry

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Reply #31. RootsChat discourages posting names of living people and other identifying information on the public forum. You should remove the name of your match.

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You asked for critical reviews of your genealogical sleuthing

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« Reply #33 on: Today at 13:44:34 »
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Hello Again Guy,

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« Reply #32 on: Today at 13:34:43 »
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Hello Guy

Thank you for your reply.

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Sorry for the delay.
Let me try to clarify the comments in my earlier post.


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