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Hi David

Sorry for that, there has been a lot of information, I am getting confused.
A DNA test would be a good idea.

Hi Al

Thanks for that, I am starting to agree with you.

Sue

Thanks Alan, for that it really helps.

DCB The first two children are baptised in Moreton, John 19th June 1803, Mary 4th November 1804

Then the ones in Thingwall are William 11th March 1810, Hannah 7th June 1812 then Richard 26th June 1814

Perhaps there are two different sets of William & Elizabeth Smiths having children around the same time one set in Thingwall and one set in Moreton?

However a Richard Smith born/baptised around 1814 is the son of a William Smith, the timing fits and a Richard Smith is the father of my gg grandfather Johnathan Smith.
He also has a daughter Hannah is about 36 in the 1851 Census which would make her birth date around 1815 according to the Cheshire Parish Register Database she is baptise 7th of June in 1812 in Thingwall.
On the 1851 Census it says Hannah was born in Thingwall

As none of the children are annotated as Iigitamate and that I think the ones born in Moreton would definately be my ancestors, I would have thought that would have to have married at least in 1803 or 9months before the birth of the first one that I have records of in Moreton ie John baptised 19th of June 1803
I know of no other sources to verify this information other than the Cheshire Parish Register Database, Free Reg and any parish records either Ancestry or Find my Past may have.

Hi Al

Thanks for that, I also came across a marriage for Elizabeth Flanagen & William Smith at Our Lady & St Nicholas Liverpool 9th of May 1803 which would be the year of the first child I have a record for.
This is also where his grandson Jonathan married Emma Roberts 15th June 1862. As you say a possible fit and this one is the same year as there first child who I have down as being John Smith but they are living at Moreton for the baptism which is on the 19th of June 1803.
This could be a family tradition as his grandson`s wife (Emma Roberts) gives birth very soon after their wedding.

Hi jomcd967

Thanks for that, but I don`t think that he  is my William Smith as he was a farmer according to the 1841 census, and he lived on the Wirral or at least he was there for the 1841 Census in Barnston with Elizabeth his wife.