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Hello Annie  - We have been in touch before regarding the Griffiths of Hope. When I last checked the Hope Baptisms I had made a note that there was also an Edward Griffiths baptised 24th July 1836 the son of Edward (wheelwright) and Mary of Hope Owen. This is probably the brother of your Mary.
Regards - Margaret.

Hello Peter - Thanks for your reply.

In the 1851 Hope Census there are, with Edward and wife Elizabeth, two sons Thomas & Edward. Thomas is probably my gt gt grandfather and he resided at Saughall from 1861 onwards, at first as Griffith and later as Griffiths. At the time of his marriage (1871) one of the witnesses was a Harriet Griffiths.

On the 1861 Hope Census Edward (now Griffiths) lives still with wife Elizabeth and also a grandaughter Harriet Griffiths.

The name Thomas occurs again in the next generation together with John, Jane (which could come from the female line) also Frederick, Samuel & Arthur.  The name Thomas appears to be the best clue.

One of my main problems is that the 1841 Hope Census does not appear on Ancestry and so I cannot easily find the older children of Edward & Elizabeth. I am sending for the birth certificate of Harriet to establish her father's name.  I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to something like John !

Thanks again for your help.
Regards - Margaret

On the Ancestry British Army WW1 Service Records I have seen an entry for a Thomas Bennett of Brentwood, Buckley. The age is correct but I don't know if it is your Thomas. Have a look and see what you think.

Thanks for this.
I have looked into this James Newitt as a possibility - but as he died in 1836 - this cannot be my relative. At least I now know that the area Thame is off my list.
Negative results are just as helpful to me because it narrows down the search.
Many thanks.

Try this one
http://www.bangorcivicsociety.org.uk/pages/hisso/normal1905/index.htm