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Wexford / Re: Breen and Dowling families of Wexford
« on: Thursday 18 October 18 15:08 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Wexflyer on Saturday 13 October 18 06:10 BST (UK)
Elizabeth had at least three siblings
Mary Anne, born 20/9/1839
John, 13/6/1844
Raymond, 13/6/1844 (Twins).

Not that the godfather for Raymond (born 13/6/1844) is also Raymond Dowling - grandfather?

I suspect the marriage of Raymond Dowling and Mary Holbrook is recorded in the Wexford parish registers - perhaps someone with a direct connection might care to look.
Wexfordflyer - They married 11 Nov 1838

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Wexford / Re: Breen and Dowling families of Wexford
« on: Wednesday 17 October 18 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: berni2u on Wednesday 17 October 18 01:57 BST (UK)
Does this La Strada Historical society have a website?   I can't find one.  I was not aware that the Breens lived anywhere else but La Grange, Illinois, which is just outside of Chicago.  I would love to talk more about the Lumley's too.
Thanks
I haven't made this an auspicious intro - it is of course La Grange not La Strada (long story which I will explain later). You may already know of the La Grange Area Historical Society ....web address www.lagrangehistory.org/  last year I made contact and they told me they had access to information about Francis and the family - stuff  you may already have ?  I no longer use Ancestry and have most of my stuff in word documents.

The long story.... is I am nearing completion of rationalising my filing system and in the intervening process had a hard drive failure. I then had to recover and piece together stuff from various discs and pen drives - as well as from paperwork. I have now sorted all the Lumley records out and hopefully I can now avoid such human errors. If you want me to share then it may be best I send word documents via my gmail - far too large to attach in rootsweb.

Attaching a photograph of the street where Francis and his parents lived (believed to be dated about 1890). They lived at 45 Main Street North, Wexford Town.

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Wexford / Re: Breen and Dowling families of Wexford
« on: Tuesday 16 October 18 17:35 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: berni2u on Tuesday 16 October 18 03:27 BST (UK)
Notaninch,
What is La strada FHS?  If you have more info on the Lumleys and Breens, I would love if you could share that with me.  I'm on ancestry.com.  I do believe we may have emailed before.  I live in the US, right outside of Chicago.
Berni2u

La Strada is where the Breens lived after emigrating from Wexford. Is it now a suburb of Chicago (?) Anyway La Strada family history society hold some information about Francis - in particular how he played music not only in church but at theaters that grew up  in the silent movies era. I have a great deal of information on the Lumley's including the grandparents and great grandparents of Mary Elizabeth Breen (nee Lumley). I have less information on the Breen's unfortunately other than the parents of Francis (who had a brother). I also now know the parents of Eliza Breen (nee Dowling who married Patrick Breen) and the grandfather of Francis Breen ( namely cattle dealer John Breen).

Let me know what in particular you would be interested in - perhaps I could send my e-mail address  via pm if that would be easier.

Oh by the way I am in the UK

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Wexford / Re: Breen and Dowling families of Wexford
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 20:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: berni2u on Saturday 13 October 18 02:19 BST (UK)
I would also like to know if you found out any information on the parents of Patrick Breen and Eliza Dowling from wexford.  They are my great-great grandparents.  Their son Francis Breen married Elizabeth Lumley (father Capt. Joseph Lumley of Waterford) and their eldest daughter, Letitia Breen was my grandmother.
berni2u

Wexflyer has put me straight on the parents of Eliza Breen (nee Dowling).

My grandmother was Betty Lumley who was the niece of Captain Joseph. Her father (William) was the youngest brother of Captain Joseph. He too went to sea as did a number of other brothers. I have a good deal of information about the Lumley family if you need more information. I have also been in touch with the La Strada FHS who have quite a bit of information about Francis John Breen and his family. Where are you living?

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Wexford / Re: Breen and Dowling families of Wexford
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 20:15 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Wexflyer on Saturday 13 October 18 05:32 BST (UK)
The 1874 (not 1873) marriage registration for Patrick Breen and Elizabeth Dowling is available online. Why didn't the OP simply look?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11247/8125167.pdf
This completely disproves the leading theory previously put forward here!

Patrick was an organist (already known from profession on later census materials), aged 35. His father was John Breen, a cattle dealer, who was already dead.
Elizabeth was a shopkeeper, aged 26, daughter of Raymond Dowling, a customs officer.
Wexflyer, You are absolutely correct Patrick Breen was son of John Breen and Eliza was the daughter of Raymond Dowling and Mary Holbrook. Unfortunately the marriage record was not available on Irish genealogy at the time of the original request for help.  I can now correct this. Many thanks for letting me know

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The Common Room / Re: Details on a Birth Certificate
« on: Saturday 14 April 18 11:45 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: JohninSussex on Friday 13 April 18 21:49 BST (UK)
Quote from: iolaus on Friday 13 April 18 20:24 BST (UK)
You can get a pdf which is slightly cheaper

According to the GRO web page, PDFs are only available for births up to 1917.
Yes the PDF version as you say does not apply because of the cut-off dates currently applied.
I think it was high time there was a small smaller charge for the basic information. Not everyone wants or needs a certificate.

Recently I wrote to GRO in Ireland who gave me the option of providing information for 4 euro or 12 euro for the full blown certified copy. I only wanted the detail not the certificate. Why can't we do that in England.....is there anyone who thinks we could start a petition to change how it works here!

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The Common Room / Re: Details on a Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 13 April 18 20:21 BST (UK)  »
Ok thanks for your help. I guess I need to bite the bullet and get the certificate. I wanted to know that it contained more information than the surname in the index. Since I have all the other information then spending £10 on a certificate that gives me no more information than I already know is a bad deal.

Once again thanks...I suggest this is closed..and I will order a copy

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The Common Room / Re: Details on a Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 13 April 18 19:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Friday 13 April 18 19:43 BST (UK)
You would need to order the birth certificate to get the full details.  That should have mothers full name but not where she lived - just where the baby was born.

Have you tried looking for a marriage using the fathers name and the mothers surname prior to the birth?
Not sure they married hence the reason I need a full name of the mother

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The Common Room / Details on a Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 13 April 18 19:31 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find the name of the mother on a birth certificate that was registered in Stoke-On-Trent. The child was born on 13 April 1928. I know the full name of the father but the index only gives me the mother's maiden surname. Would the registrar have also written the mother's full name i.e her first name or names and where she lived or would they have only recorded her maiden surname?

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