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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Monday 27 February 12 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
These are the children of Benjamin Lloyd and Sophia Smith
1     Benjamin Lloyd   b: Abt. 1744 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 31 Jan 1834 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 90 est.
..      +Sophia Smith   b: Abt. 1743 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England   m: Bef. 1771   d: 28 Dec 1819 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 76 est.
........   2     William Lloyd   b: 13 Sep 1771 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 Dec 1839 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 68
............      +Ann Someone            
........   2     Benjamin Lloyd   b: Bet. Jul 1772 - Dec 1773 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 1819 in Russia   Age at death: 47 est.
............      +Elizabeth Collins      m: 06 May 1802 St Nicholas, Worcester, England      
........   2     [1] Esther Lloyd   b: 01 Sep 1774 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 09 Dec 1844 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 70
............      +Robert Jones      m: 25 Dec 1797 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England   d: Bef. 1832   Age at death: ?
........      *2nd Husband of [1] Esther Lloyd:            
............      +John Acton   b: 1759 Evesham, Worcestershire, England   m: 31 Jul 1832 All Saints, Worcester, England   d: 28 Nov 1833 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 74 est.
........   2     [2] Joseph Lloyd   b: 18 May 1776 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 21 Feb 1834 in London, England   Age at death: 57
............      +Unknown            
........      *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph Lloyd:            
............      +Sophia Eleanor Lyne   b: 29 Sep 1795 St James, Clerkenwell, London, England   m: 11 Jan 1815 St Martins in the Fields, London, England   d: 12 Sep 1866 in Kirribilli, St Leonards, Sydney, Australia   Age at death: 70
........   2     John Lloyd   b: 05 Apr 1778 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England         
........   2     [3] Daniel Lloyd   b: 09 Jun 1779 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 22 Jul 1839 in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 60
............      +Elizabeth Sparry   b: 25 May 1791 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   m: 1812 Worcester, England   d: 12 Oct 1821 in Walton Cardiff, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 30
........      *2nd Wife of [3] Daniel Lloyd:            
............      +Mary Anne Sparry   b: 21 Aug 1802 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   m: 23 Sep 1823 All Saints, Worcester, Worcestershire, England   d: 31 May 1873 in Sydney, NSW, Australia   Age at death: 70
........   2     George Lewington Lloyd   b: 23 Oct 1780 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England         
........   2     Edmund Lloyd   b: 08 Jan 1782 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 May 1853 in Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England   Age at death: 71
........   2     Charles Lloyd   b: 08 Apr 1783 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 28 Jul 1859 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 76
........   2     Francis Lloyd   b: 22 Feb 1786 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 26 Feb 1873 in Belmont Park, Lee, Kent, England   Age at death: 87
............      +Maria Gammon   b: Abt. 1787 Herefordshire   m: 05 Oct 1815 Bengeworth, Worcestershire, England   d: Bet. 1851 - 1861   Age at death: 64 est.
........   2     Sophia Lloyd   b: 30 Sep 1787 Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England      d: 1859 in Shipston on Stour, Gloucestershire, England   Age at death: 72 est.
............      +John Reynolds   b: Abt. 1776 Little Rissington, Gloucestershire, England      d: 1854   Age at death: 78 est.


Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Wednesday 01 February 12 08:10 GMT (UK)  »
Making steady progress but will keep powder dry.
Found this today which is a Lloyd/Ballard coincidence!

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Thursday 19 January 12 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
I had John Ballard born in 1752 and his brother Philip in 1755 both sons of John B and Margaret Dowding.
I agree that Elizabeth Collins could be the illigitimate dau of John Ballard. It could follow then that Mrs Harris is likewise!
I rather think that JBL was bought up to believe that JB was his grandfather to save everyones face but I reserve final judgement until I can find a Will that supports the 1200 pounds originating from JB's father or JBL's maternal grandfather.
In my view it is likely that JB as mayor of Worcester was a self made man and generated the wealth not his father.

Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Thursday 19 January 12 03:35 GMT (UK)  »
Just a point re the JB legacies. Elizabeth only got the use of the 1200pounds for her life and upon her decease it was to pass to her son JBL along with other legacies for JBL.
As you say "JBL says he is due revisionary interest from the 1200 from his grandfathers will ".
As we know Benjamin Lloyd of Hanley Castle did not die until 1834 aged 90years so cant be the grandfather in question.
Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Thursday 19 January 12 01:56 GMT (UK)  »
Funny you should say that as Mrs Harris's son John Byron was actually John Ballard Byron!

Re the religion. If JBL's father was a Presbytarian then it would appear that it was not a Hanley Castle Lloyd related to my lot as they were all baptists!
Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Wednesday 18 January 12 22:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
Here's my postulation having seen all the info to date and particularly the Will of John Ballard a prominent person in Worcester. He had a Will in which he left money to a married woman and her son JBL (no relationship mentioned to either which is unusual). He also was an Anglican not a Baptist.
Scenario One.
Elizabeth Collins wife of Benjamin Lloyd marriage 1802 became pregnant to John Ballard in 1807 and had a son JBL.
Scenario Two.
Elizabeth mother of JBL was not Elizabeth Collins of Benjamin Lloyd marriage of 1802 but was single lady who got pregnant to JB in 1807 and was married off to a Benjamin Lloyd whose marriage certificate is not yet to hand.

In both scenarios there were no other JB children nor were there any Benjamin Lloyd children.
 
It is very very rare that a substantial portion of a Will is left to a married person whose relationship to the deceased is not specified/stated in the Will.
I suggest that Elizabeth after getting pregnant to JB married Benjamin Lloyd for convienience and protection for both her and the fathers name.
Benjamin left and went to live in Heligoland/Russia soon after.
What is a good clue is that JB left money also to JBL via Elizabeth.
It was common to leave a few $ to staff but that relationship was always stated. JBL was christened in the Anglican church not a Baptist chapel of which the Lloyds of Hanley Castle were strong members.
Thus in either scenario JBL has no Lloyd blood.
Happy to bat this around, look forward to hearing from all.
Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Wednesday 18 January 12 04:31 GMT (UK)  »
I have asked the Archives what the cost of copying the whole file etc and posting to NZ.
So you can consider taking a breath and awaiting their reply. Unless you know a Worcester city person who could go into the Office and ask.
They may say its closed for access to records until the new office opens in July.
Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Tuesday 17 January 12 21:43 GMT (UK)  »
A few years ago the Records Office shifted many records from their office to the Worc Library and Family History Centre.
I believe they would be at the Records Office(Archives).
Best to emailthe librarian.
Tony

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London and Middlesex / Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« on: Tuesday 17 January 12 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
I have found the best way is to visit the records office and go thru the parish registers of all the local parishes in case they moved around especially in Worcester city. In this case it would be Upton(hanley), Worcester, Liverpool.
If they were strong Baptists the records may be in the Baptist Chapel minute books and they are often not in the public arena. In the Upton minute books they entered each year or so the list of parishioners which was abig help. I am sure due to JBL life style he would feature in the minute books if he was not evicted from the Chapel(they called it  "REMOVED"). You could get removed for small misdemeanors particularly drinking.
Not sure if JBL remained a Baptist. The Worc office is cloded until July.
Tony

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