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The Common Room / Re: Release of prisoners
« on: Saturday 10 July 10 17:18 BST (UK)  »
I think the general concept of any state support for released prisoners is a much more recent development. Probation Officers, social security, housing benefit, assistance with finding a job and the like are all very much 20th century innovations. I think that in 1856 you were expected to fend for yourself, save perhaps for your train fare home and a small grant. The only state support that you might see would be for the wife and children, and that would have come from the church. I had a relative who was imprisoned in Scotland in 1830. She was a single mother and in the Kirk Session minutes (parish records) I found some interesting entries relating to payments from church funds for her children, whilst she was in prison.

Elwyn

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The Common Room / Re: Who Paid??
« on: Saturday 10 July 10 15:19 BST (UK)  »
Yes it was very much a one way ticket. Few could afford to return unless they had someone wealthy and prepared to pay their ticket. Consequently most stayed. I had an ancestor who was transported in 1831. I found excellent records in Sydney, showing the ship she arrived on and her circumstances at that time (description, height, children, marital status etc). In addition there were subsequent notes showing what happened to her in Australia whilst she was serving her sentence eg ran away twice, gave notice to marry and finally her death. You may be able to trace similar records for your ancestor.


Elwyn

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Antrim / Re: James McFarlane of County Antrim
« on: Saturday 10 July 10 09:43 BST (UK)  »
Can't give you any specific information about your McFarlane line, save that the current Northern Ireland phone book has 129 McFarlane entries, so it is a reasonably common surname in Co. Antrim and hereabouts to this day.

You ask whether he could be "a Scot born in Ireland." Co. Antrim is the closest county to Scotland (it's only about 15 miles across at the narrowest point) and folk having been coming and going between the two for hundreds of years, for commercial, political and religious reasons especially from 1600 onwards. Co. Antrim in particular does have a very high percentage of folk whose ancestors came from Scotland. (The most obvious clue being that they are mostly Presbyterians). So your ancestor could be one of those.

Greenock would be a common point of departure for emigrants from Ireland. There were regular overnight sailings from places like Londonderry, Belfast and Dublin to Glasgow, and so Greenock was easy to get to. So someone from Co. Antrim catching an emigrant ship from Greenock would not be at all unusual.

Elwyn

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Antrim Completed Look up Requests / Re: Translation of place name
« on: Saturday 10 July 10 09:21 BST (UK)  »
It is also anglicised as Donegal(l). Belfast has Donegall Square (right in the city centre) as well as one or two other places named Donegall, after, I think, the Earl of Donegall.

Elwyn

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The Common Room / Re: Why wouldn't all the children be baptised?
« on: Thursday 08 July 10 15:43 BST (UK)  »
I live in Ireland. Where there was a mixed marriage (RC & Protestant), it was often the custom for the sons to be baptised into the father's religion and the daughters into the mother's. But of course if one of the couple wasn't a regular church attender, who wasn't too concerned about the children attending church, that could then lead to all of one gender being baptised but none of the other.

Elwyn

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Ireland / Re: James McEwan & Ann Small - Ireland
« on: Wednesday 07 July 10 17:23 BST (UK)  »
You ask where Australian bound emigrant ships left from in Ireland. I think there were some from Cork (or Queenstown which was the deepwater port for Cork) but many emigrants travelled over to England and sailed from the usual ports there, eg Liverpool or Plymouth. You should bear that in mind when searching. (Presumably cost and/or timing led them to do this).

Elwyn

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Antrim / Re: Woodburn - child Help Needed
« on: Monday 05 July 10 21:58 BST (UK)  »
You can get a copy of the birth certificate from the NI General Register Office www.groni.gov.uk , or alternatively some of the pay to view sites may also be able to give you the info, for a fee (which may be less than the GRO fee).

Elwyn

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Down / Re: Where is Boardmills?
« on: Monday 05 July 10 21:52 BST (UK)  »
Saintfield would be the nearest town, by most reckoning.

Elwyn

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Antrim / Re: rainey randalstown
« on: Sunday 04 July 10 12:05 BST (UK)  »
If you get Samuel's marriage cert (he was apparently married between 1901 & 1911) that should give you his father, and that in turn could help identify his mother.

Elwyn

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