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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Source and citations for GRO certificates.
« on: Friday 15 March 24 08:58 GMT (UK)  »
One important thing is to make it clear in the citation whether you are referring to a certificate (or pdf/digital image) that you have or have seen, and therefore have evidence of the fact it is attached to, or whether you are citing an index entry alone (where you are making assumptions)

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The Lighter Side / Re: Marrying your dead wife’s sister
« on: Tuesday 12 March 24 19:59 GMT (UK)  »
The 1835 Marriage Act however, hardened the law into an absolute prohibition (while, however, authorising any such marriages which had already taken place), so that such marriages could no longer take place in the UK.

Not strictly prohibited as such - what the Act actually said (s2) was ...

"That all marriages which shall hereafter be celebrated between persons within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity or affinity shall be absolutely null and void to all intents and purposes whatsoever"

So it made any such marriages automatically void - but that didn't prevent them from happening, and quite regularly. My 3x G Grandfather married his widows younger sister (in 1840). They went to a neighbouring parish for the ceremony, but family members were witnesses and I doubt there was much attempt at any secrecy about it.

Despite the 1835 Act It is a fairly common thing to find in families at that time, and no offence was committed by anyone doing it.

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The Common Room / Re: An interesting thought!
« on: Sunday 10 March 24 09:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thought the law was changed in 2022 for civil marriages, and as long as a venue has been registered, weddings (England) could now take place in "linked" outdoor areas?  presumably "linked outdoor areas" is the key - does a train count!

The change in 2022 really only made permanent some temporary measures that were put in place during Covid - it did allow more flexibility about outdoor weddings, but the location still has to be part of an "approved premises".

There is is a list you can check:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-marriages-and-partnerships-approved-premises-list

There are other proposed changes still in the pipeline, that may well allow this type of ceremony to be legally recognised (in E/W), but not yet been implemented.

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The Common Room / Re: An interesting thought!
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 10:45 GMT (UK)  »
It was a "ceremony", it won't be registered anywhere.

(there will be a visit to a registration office for the actual legal marriage before or after - same as for many who "marry" on beaches or in various far-flung overseas destinations. As a registrar I did loads of those).

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The Common Room / Re: Two part question re:wills
« on: Thursday 07 March 24 09:41 GMT (UK)  »
I believe that (In E/W) beneficiaries who are left a specific bequest, or a set sum of money, are not automatically entitled to a copy of the estate accounts, but a "residuary beneficiary" who is to receive a share of the estate is entitled to see such an account so that they are able to confirm they have received the correct amount.

When I asked a solicitor about dealing with my father's estate they wanted to charge their hourly rate ( about £150ph I think it was at the time - probably much more now) AND 2% of the estate value. I declined their offer and dealt with the estate myself which is a surprisingly simple thing to do.

In that, and another case since, in which I have acted as an executor I have provided each beneficiary with a simple spreadsheet showing the estate assets/expenses and distribution calculation.

Ask the solicitor to provide a copy of the estate accounts.

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The Lighter Side / Re: 2011 Census Computer database?
« on: Thursday 07 March 24 09:13 GMT (UK)  »
I retired 12 years ago (from the Met Police), but did a lot of computer related work, and things do change rapidly, but I never heard of getting access to census data, and it wouldn't be that useful anyway, being a snapshot that doesn't get regularly updated.

There are much better databases available to find people ( HMRC, DWP, full electoral roll, phone subscribers etc.), but most such external databases would need a good reason, and authorisation given, to access.

Of course there are departments - counter-terrorism & security services for instance - who may have enhanced access to other systems.

I enjoy watching Silent Witness, and had the pleasure of chatting to Emilia Fox at the WDYTYA Live show some years ago, but it is a very, very long way removed from reality.

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The Common Room / Re: UK court records
« on: Tuesday 05 March 24 12:11 GMT (UK)  »
You have to start with a copy of the will,  and grant of probate, to see what is mentioned on there.

Also check different copies of the probate register - I have an example from 1952 where the probate entry on the page image on the Gov site has a handwritten amendment relating to a Chancery court case taken out by a supposed ex (but not divorced) wife. That amendment isn't on the register image shown on Ancestry.

If there is Chancery involved, then records are at TNA - but may still be closed ( although you can try an application under FOI to get them opened)

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Civil reg starting in 1837 probably extended the time between death and burial as a death cert had to be given for a burial to commence.

It has never been an absolute legal requirement for a death to be registered before burial/cremation ( although most obviously were).

Although saying that the registrar would confirm the registration to the undertaker, both the 1836 B&D Act and the later 1874 Act had provision for burials that did take place before registration. Such deaths were supposed to be notified to the registrar within 7 days after the burial, with the responsibility on the person conduction the burial. I'm sure in many cases the vicar would tell the family to make sure they did it, but they didn't bother and that probably accounts for some burials being recorded in parish registers that don't seem to have a corresponding death registration.

Funerals still can happen before registration, most commonly in cases where the coroner is involved although a registrar can also issue the necessary permission.

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The Common Room / Re: Bigamy
« on: Friday 01 March 24 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
Yes it would be recorded in the index (in E/W).


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