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Kent / Re: Thomas Tree of Lynsted, Kent
« on: Friday 08 July 11 16:29 BST (UK)  »
No problem, David -

I have had more help from other Rootschatters - including our estimable moderator here, Casalguidi - than you would believe! With the Bedfordshire side of my family - who married into the Lynsted Tree/Willson family in 1898 - in particular. So I'm always willing to lend a hand when and where I can.  Rootschat is without doubt the friendliest and most helpful community re: family research that I have encountered in many years.

If there's a fact in existence that you are missing, a Rootschatter will help you find it, sure as eggs is eggs!

If I had a bit more time right now, this might be a fun thing to pursue, but regrettably I'm pretty busy till the end of the month.

Best
Wendy

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Kent / Re: Thomas Tree of Lynsted, Kent
« on: Friday 08 July 11 15:25 BST (UK)  »
Well, Sittingbourne is an appropriate location for Trees. But I can't help directly with that one. 

There is no apparent link to my tree.

Checking back through the IGI shows a marriage in Borden for Thomas and Mary Ann White in 1836. Found in 1841 as Thomas Craydon 32 and Mary Ann 23, in Newington, with 5 year old Ann Maria, and they show up nicely in 1851 and 1861, along with Eliza Joan in 1861.

The most common reason for a middle or third name is (a) maiden name of mother or grandmother of husband or wife and (b) godparent.

The Craydens were an established Kent family, it seems - so perhaps one should be looking at who Mary Ann White was? Even so, you'd need to track them both back another generation or two to discover who their parents and grandparents were.

Thomas b about 1809 and Mary Ann b about 1818.

My Thomas Tree Snr had a first daughter named Ann Maria, b Headcorn 1804 - same name as Thomas and Mary Ann's first daughter.

And interestingly, in 1861 a widowed Mary Ann White aged 46 (so b about 1815)  is living in Sittingbourne, born Lynsted, with three children.

So yes - probably a link somewhere between Lynsted and the Whites. It just needs teasing out....

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Kent / Re: Thomas Tree of Lynsted, Kent
« on: Friday 08 July 11 13:00 BST (UK)  »
Indeed they are, Casalguidi! 

Without the Lynsted baptism records, I would never have discovered that John Tree b 1801 in Headcorn (a putative son of Thomas Snr) was also known as Stears.

Without that info I would never have located the bastardy order against Thomas Tree for fathering a boy on Rhoda Stears in Headcorn, and never discovered the hugely corrupted entry for John's christening as John Tree, son of Tree and Rhode Steers on the IGI.

And without that info I would never have discovered the birth of Ann Maria Tree to Thomas Tree and Elizabeth Mary Allsworth in Headcorn.

Which led me to the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth Mary Allsworth - whose father and brother also moved in with them, and remained with Thomas and his family after the move to Lynsted until they died.

Which led me backwards to the Catholic Allsworths of Lynsted, one branch of which became Mormons and seem to have populated half of Utah and California.

And so it goes on. The detective story that never ends....   :)

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Kent / Re: Thomas Tree of Lynsted, Kent
« on: Friday 08 July 11 12:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Casalguidi - how kind of you to ask.

As it happens, yes I did make a great deal of progress, having gained access to the Lynsted parish records.  (I helped to transcribe them, and thus earned a full set on CD!)

From information found in the records, I made a few suppositions, and eventually via info from many difererent sources, traced Thomas Snr back to Headcorn, found a nearby marriage for him to a wife who explained some previously inexplicable Allsworth lodgers in the family home in 1841, 1851 and 1861, and linked him probably (not proven) to several generations of his forbears.

The records also let me prove to my own satisfaction that John Tree  b1801 was the illegitimate son of Thomas Snr and Rhoda Stears, and was born in Headcorn. He himself was variably known as John Stears and two of his children were baptised in Lynsted as Stears, though others were baptised as Tree. I was then able to link him to many generations of his Tree/Steerstree/Stearstree descendants elsewhere in Kent, and have made contact with modern Steerstrees.

I won't bore you with more details, unless the Trees somehow link to your own roots, but it was a very satisfying journey of discovery!   

Thanks for asking - best regards
Wendy

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John WALKER in Marston Moretaine
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 23:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, John - maybe worth pursuing, but with a first name of Mary and a partner's name of Wright we are still in needle territory.

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John WALKER in Marston Moretaine
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 17:21 BST (UK)  »
OK, now that I have reseated myself on my chair after falling off it laughing out loud.....

A quick search on the FamilySearch site (am I the only one that HATES this new interface?) says:

"No records found for >Name: wright, Event: Any, Place: marston moretaine, Event Range: 1790-1810"

Opening up the search to Bedfordshire doesn't help either.


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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John WALKER in Marston Moretaine
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 15:59 BST (UK)  »
Dear me, David - yes, you are quite right. I am a whole 10 years out.  Doh!

Especially when you compare with the 1841 Mary - undoubtedly the correct person, due to her physical location and family relationships - who was rounded down to 60.

And as the first mention we have of her is in 1841, any Wright children would probably have been long gone...

So there's another avenue - not only Wright marriages after about 1793 and Wright deaths between 1793 and 1808, but also Wright births between 1793 and 1808.  All somewhere in Bedfordshire, or in a county not too far from Beds. Why couldn't her first husband have been called Cholmondeley-Fortescue or the like?


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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: John WALKER in Marston Moretaine
« on: Thursday 16 June 11 10:53 BST (UK)  »
I never was able to progress further with this branch, Amy.

But as David says, we do know from JohnP's sight of the original record that Wright was not Mary Walker's maiden name.

I believe it's quite probable that the 72 year old in MM in 1851 is the correct Mary - she seems to be living in an enclave of lacemakers In Sheldon, which was a common female occupation among the poor. Her son James (Ag Lab) and wife Susana (lacemaker) are two or three pages back in the same location with their family.

It seemed strange for her to be living alone as a pauper, when ten years earlier she had literally been in the bosom of her family. But by 1851 daughter Martha had died, Edward and Susan had moved to Kent, Charlotte and Edward Chandler were in Wroxhill with a lorryload of kids and Edward's mother Jemima, and perhaps couldn't manage to care for both mothers, and her son James was still nearby, but also had five children....

If this IS the correct Mary, she was about 20 when she married John Walker, which doesn't give much space for a marriage to Mr Wright, and as no children appear to have come to the Walker marriage with her, the Wright marriage was pretty short-lived.

So the search is for any Mary born in/around Marston Moretaine c1788 - who may have married a Mr Wright between about 1803-1808, and a Mr Wright who died during a similar timespan.

Needle in a haystack....  :-(


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Bedfordshire / Re: Trying to find a missing PFAU ...
« on: Tuesday 15 February 11 15:18 GMT (UK)  »
Well, deanneda, we never did find Percy in 1891!

Though I have since found him in 1911, living with his mother Annie (who now describes herself as a widow) and sister Annie at 36 Russell St, Bedford. Percy is now 24, and a carpenter, born London.  The family is listed as PFAN, although it's clearly hand-written as Pfau.

Interestingly, Annie's widowed mother and three of her children - Annie Snr's brothers Samuel and Edward and sister Louisa - were living at 15 Russell Street.

If you'd like to join in please feel free!  How do you relate to the Pfau's? Are you another cousin for me and Mickeldore?  :-)

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