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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Friday 25 March 11 15:26 GMT (UK)  »
  A few musings on Henry Hull.

  The 2 ships about which I've not been able to find anything about are as follows....
143283    18.9.20
129547    26.9.21
  I was wondering whether or not these may have been the first ships he served aboard as they have the earliest dates and they are listed next to his photograph on the C.R. 10 card.
  Also, I was wondering if all these dates beside the ships' numbers indicate the dates on which signed on or when he was discharged.

  Regarding the "vesicle haemorrhage", I agree that, with my distant knowledge of A Level human biology, vesicles are something to do with kidneys and bladders and urinary tracts etc. Not very pleasant I know. I googled hemiotomy and nothing descriptive came up, so I think that it may be an old term for something else. otomy sounds like lobotomy & hemi like hemispheres of the brain? I may cheekily ask my G.P. when I see him next week.

  My Mum has told me a few more anecdotes about him. Apparently, there were several mementoes that he'd "relieved" from the Mauretania including ashtrays, spoons, badges and plates. Unfortunately, these appear to have been sold cheaply during a house clearance that my grandad (Henry's son) had done in the 70's.  Also, Henry's wife (Rose Edith Hull) was very mean to him. This included branding him with flatirons when he'd come home on leave or was tipsy. While I don't know the whole story, I can't say that I'd blame him for wanting to spend his time at sea and moving to Australia to get away from her. Mum has said (and she knew her gran extremely well) that she was mean and horrible to everyone!

  I'm going to download the medal entitlement document from the national archives site. I was wondering that as I don't have a printer of my own, would I be better off to get someone else to download and print it (such as my brother).

  Thanks again everyone for your help.

  Gary.


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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Saturday 19 March 11 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Just a quick update,

The person who registered his death seems to have been the undertaker- W.G. Williams.
He is buried at the Presbyterian Cemetery, Scarborough. Bulli has been stamped in the section called "particulars of registration"
The cause of death was a vesical haemorrhage & hemiotomy.

I have a (incomplete) list of the ship names gleaned from a website that I was advised to look at by the lady at Southampton Archives.

So now I need to find out when he arrived in Australia, whether or not he joined the Australian MN and if his medal entitlement was for WW1 or WW2, or both. I will also try harder to find a record of his marriage in 1911/12 and his wife's subsequent marriage to Thomas George Verney, in I think 1947.

Again, thanks to everyone for your help.

Gary. :)

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Friday 18 March 11 15:13 GMT (UK)  »
I forgot to mention that the date of his death was 9 April 1945. Interesting.

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Friday 18 March 11 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
  Henry George Hull's death certificate arrived from Australia today. It's definitely the right one as it states that he was a seaman, born in Southampton and his parents as Harry Hull ( a gardener) and Mary Jones.
  There are some interesting pieces of info including that he was "late of North Sydney", had lived in N.S.W. for almost 5 years and that he had not married! The research continues.

  Again, thank you to Dawn and Seaweed for your help. I'm going round to my Mum's to show her the photo of her grand-dad that she never met.

  Gary.

 

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Friday 18 March 11 14:40 GMT (UK)  »
 I went to Southampton archives armed with Henry George Hull's number and found the following....

2x C.R. 1 cards. These contained, amongst other things, info like height,eye colour, hair colour which were all previously unknown.

2x C.R.2 cards. One states- rating greaser, the ship 166290 ( Queen Elizabeth I've found out) and date of engagement 31.7.40.  Te second has rating Elec Attd, ship Mauretania 124093 and (date of engagement crossed out and replaced with date of Dis) 30.3.27. On the back of this 2nd card is the following

143667  18.2.22
124093   6.6.23
cont: issued ex Mauretania 12.5.31
Shell Brit 4 160497  31.12.37
162316  20.7.40

All I have done with this is to find out the names of he ships.

1x C.R.10 card. This gives his identity certificate number 476862 , rating of Fireman and some other info like name, D.O.B etc. On the back is a photo ( the first that I' ve seen of him) and 143283  18.9.20 and 129547  26.9.21


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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Saturday 12 March 11 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for the information that you've found out. You've done amazingly well.
I will go to the archives on Tuesday as I know that they are only open Tuesday,Wednesday & Thursday. Fingers crossed.

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The Lighter Side / Re: What is your most uncommon name?
« on: Thursday 10 March 11 22:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have, in 3 consecutive generations, Argent Blundell. Sounds French in origin.

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Thursday 10 March 11 21:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
 I found out about Henry Hull being aboard the Britannic by searching on Ancestry. I can't remember exactly how as it was several months ago. I found him in a "List or Manifest of Alien passengers for the United States". I printed one off (there were several) for the Britannic, sailing from Liverpool, arriving in New York 21 July 1940. I can remember that some went back as far as 1937, some were for sailings from South Africa and the Caribbean and some were for another ship, but I can't remember which one. I will print these tomorrow (hopefully).

 My Mum's also mentioned that she thinks he served aboard the Mauretania. As I live in Southampton, I'm hoping that there may be lots of information in the library there. I know there are many shelves of books about the Titanic as I've already proven that one of my relatives went down with the Titanic.

 Thank you for your help.
 Gary.

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Thursday 10 March 11 21:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dawn,
 I agree with you that the 1945 possibility is very promising. So promising in fact that I've taken the plunge and ordered the certificate. Should arrive in 3-4 weeks. Fingers crossed.
 I'm extremely grateful for your help.
 Gary.

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