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Midlothian / Re: Edinburgh Prison records
« on: Tuesday 28 September 21 17:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for pointing me in the direction of the articles in the Scotsman. I have found what I was looking for in respect of his prison sentence.
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Midlothian / Re: Edinburgh Prison records
« on: Tuesday 28 September 21 17:03 BST (UK) »All the news reports have his middle name as Dow rather than Down.
My mistake ... didn't see autocorrect
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Midlothian / Re: Edinburgh Prison records
« on: Tuesday 28 September 21 17:02 BST (UK) »Seem to be articles in the Scotsman 5 and 6 Jan 1911 - he was given 12 months for fraudulently obtaining goods without any intention of paying for them . It states he had 3 previous convictions for similar crimes. Article about his divorce 10 July 1911 for infidelity.
William
Fantastic William!! You wouldnt by any chance have links to these articles or the year of the crime please ?
Chris
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Midlothian / Edinburgh Prison records
« on: Tuesday 28 September 21 16:40 BST (UK) »
Im researching a family tree and one of the direct line ancestors, a Colin Down Smith, Born in Patna in 1877, draper to trade, has turned up in the 1911 census in Edinburgh Prison. Does anyone know where I may be able to find a record for him imprisoned and for how long? Ive no idea what he did or where he did it.
He disappears from records after this. His wife married again in 1921 and the marriage certificate states she was divorced. His daughter gets married in 1927 and her marriage certificate states he is dead. I cannot find hid death on Scotlands people.
He disappears from records after this. His wife married again in 1921 and the marriage certificate states she was divorced. His daughter gets married in 1927 and her marriage certificate states he is dead. I cannot find hid death on Scotlands people.
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Oxfordshire / Re: Jane Golder - Holywell Women's Prison, Oxford.
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 20:59 BST (UK) »Just to note the penitentiary she's in isn't a prison - it's a religious institution run by the sisters of mercy. Jane is a "penitent" and a laundress, as are the other penitent
I wouldn't be surprised if she was, or had been pregnant. The institution's objective was apparently to rescue fallen women
That explains a lot. Thanks Mabel
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Oxfordshire / Jane Golder - Holywell Women's Prison, Oxford.
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 20:28 BST (UK) »
Jane Golder was born in 1863 in Bucknell in Oxfordshire daughter of William Golder and Sarah Ryman.
In the 1881 census she appears as an inmate of Oxford Woman's, Penitentiary Church St, Holywell.
Someone on Ancestry, without providing source information, put that she had died at the penitentiary.
I cannot find her in the 1891 census returns. I dont know what she was in prison for, or if she did die there.
Any help would be appreciated.
Chris
In the 1881 census she appears as an inmate of Oxford Woman's, Penitentiary Church St, Holywell.
Someone on Ancestry, without providing source information, put that she had died at the penitentiary.
I cannot find her in the 1891 census returns. I dont know what she was in prison for, or if she did die there.
Any help would be appreciated.
Chris
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Antrim / Re: William Shaw & Agnes Jamieson
« on: Tuesday 11 May 21 21:01 BST (UK) »So you have the death cert of Wm Shaw the younger 1852-1894. You are looking for the marriage of the parents or his marriage? Am presuming the parents? Was the wife of Wm Shaw the younger also born in Ireland. If so what are her parents names please?
Have you obtained or looked for the deaths of Wm Shaw the older and Agnes Jamieson Shaw?
There is this Antrim death that fits in with the 'alive when Wm Jnr was married' scenario
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06469/4860711.pdf
In 1880 he was a widower and the death was reported by a Sarah Shaw but no indication of her relationship to Wm Shaw is given. Did Wm jnr & his wife have any children called Sarah?
Often if you know the children's names they can provide clues for going back.
What is the basis for the belief that the family was from Antrim?
Yes Im looking for the marriage of his parents William Shaw & Anges Jamieson. I have not found the deaths of either of them. There is no Sarah in the family. Unfortunately younger Williams wife was born in Glasgow. Its the families belief that the Shaws were from Antrim. Thanks for your interest
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Antrim / Re: William Shaw & Agnes Jamieson
« on: Tuesday 11 May 21 20:52 BST (UK) »I remember doing a quick search for William & Agnes Shaw yesterday but the problem wasn't no results it was too many possibilities.
Who was the informant for William Shaw's death in 1894? It's possible that his mother Agnes (Nancy or Ann) was known as both Jamieson & Ferguson.
Yes there were far too many William Shaws. I have the death certificate for William Shaw in Glasgow 1894. The informant was his daughter in law. One the reason I think the surname of This William's mother may be incorrect. At present Ive no way of telling if she used both names. Thanks for your reply.
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Antrim / William Shaw & Agnes Jamieson
« on: Wednesday 05 May 21 13:42 BST (UK) »
I have very little to go on here. William Shaw died in Glasgow in 1894 aged 42. His death certificate sates his parents were William Shaw and Agnes Ferguson both deceased. He has two census returns in Glasgow. 1881 & 1891. Both say he was born in Ireland. His marriage certificate in 1878 states his parents were William Shaw & Agnes Jamieson 
Both parents are alive in 1878. I tend to believe that the marriage certificate will be more accurate than the death one so im going with his mother was Anges Jamieson. But I cannot find marriages for either of those surnames. The family believe that they were from Antrim. Ive tried Ancestry, Irish Genealogy and Family Search, nothing. Any help would be appreciated.
Both parents are alive in 1878. I tend to believe that the marriage certificate will be more accurate than the death one so im going with his mother was Anges Jamieson. But I cannot find marriages for either of those surnames. The family believe that they were from Antrim. Ive tried Ancestry, Irish Genealogy and Family Search, nothing. Any help would be appreciated.