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The Common Room / Was there compensation for industrial injury in 1824?
« on: Saturday 11 January 14 06:50 GMT (UK)  »
 My gg grandfather was dismissed from a bookbinding apprenticeship in Stratford on Avon  for dishonesty in 1817.
He married in Birmingham the following year and in 1824 had become a wine and spirit merchant in Wrexham. He went bankrupt and did not attend the hearing. The newspaper described him as:blind of the right eye, and his other eye is remarkably odd formed

It has occurred to  me that he could not have been a bookbinder if he was partially sighted. So I wonder-did he return to his home town of Birmingham and work in industry and was he then injured?
Would an employer have paid compensation for injury? This is pure speculation on my part-I've always wondered where he got the money for the move to Wrexham and the setting up of his business- perhaps compensation might explain it.

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Suffolk Completed Lookup Requests / Wrentham parish records look up please
« on: Tuesday 31 December 13 15:44 GMT (UK)  »
I have traced some family members to Wrentham but I've been unable to find out any more about the family and I wonder whether anyone has access to the Wrentham parish records please?

John Davy and  Sarah Barrett married in Wrentham in 1757(Family search) They had a son,Daniel Davy who was  baptised in Wrenthamin 1766, according to Familysearch.
On 23rd May 1791, in Wrentham Suffolk Daniel Davy married Elizabeth Stannard (Family search)
On 27 November 1791 in Wrentham, they baptised a son, John (Familysearch)
On 19th November 1792 in Yarmouth St Nicholas they buried a son, John. Notes state Mother nee Stannard (Freereg)
In October 1802 in Yarmouth St Nicholas they buried an infant daughter named Amey (notes state "the mother's maiden name was Stannard").(Freereg)
Finally my 3 x g.gmother, AMY DAVY christened. 27 November 1805 Wrentham Suffolk. Parents: Daniel Davy and Elizabeth Stannard. (Family search)

I wonder if there were other children born to Daniel and Elizabeth. There seems to be a very large gaps between the first and second baptisms. The surname spelling varies between Davy and Davey.

I have not found any other records for Elizabeth Stannard and wonder if she was also baptised in Wrentham?
The family seem to have lived and died in Great Yarmouth according to census and burial records, but returned to Wrentham for baptisms.

Are there any online parish records for Suffolk? I have several Norfolk ancestors who were born in Suffolk and I've been unable to find information about them.
I would be grateful for help and advice, Jan









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Suffolk / Possible family connection to Wrentham-am I right?
« on: Saturday 14 December 13 12:41 GMT (UK)  »
I have a 3x great grandmother in my tree, Amy Davey, born Great Yarmouth about 1805, she married twice and lived in Yarmouth for 90 years. I was trying to trace children living with her on the Norfolk board (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=670463.0) and someone suggested she may have been baptised in Wrentham:
AMY DAVY chr. 27 November 1805 Wrentham Suffolk. Parents: Daniel Davy and Elizabeth Stannard. (Family search)
I'd previouly discounted the record as being too far form Yarmouth, but I've been researching some more and found some interesting evidence.
On 23rd May 1791, in Wrentham Suffolk Daniel Davey married Elizabeth Stannard (Family search)
On 27 November 1791 in Wrentham, they baptised a son, John (Familysearch)
On 19th November 1792 in Yarmouth St Nicholas they buried a son, John. Notes state Mother nee Stannard (Freereg)
In October 1802 in Yarmouth St Nicholas they buried an infant daughter named Amey (notes state "the mother's maiden name was Stannard").
It seems possible that the family travelled to & fro between Yarmouth and Wrentham, or possibly settled in Yarmouth but returned to Wrentham for baptisms. (That would fit in with Amy's census records where she always gave Yarmouth as her pob.)
Daniel Davey was also baptised in Wrentham, according to Familysearch, in 1766. His father's name was John and his mother was Sarah Barrett. They married in Wrentham in 1757(Family search)

My questions are-is it likely that a family would travel between Yarmouth and Wrentham? Was Yarmouth a town that Wrentham people would have chosen for work? (A Daniel Davey was a carpenter according to Yarmouth poll records but there were others of that name-a sailor and a publican- in the town.
Also are there any more records for these people or any other online sources? (There's nothing on Ancestry except the Yarmouth poll records) They don't appear on the 1841 census, so had probably died by then.
I can find no other records of Elizabeth Stannard, I don't know whether she was also from Wrentham or elsewhere in Suffolk. There are Stannards in Norfolk but no record of an Elizabeth of the right age.
If anyone can help or point me in the right direction, I will be very grateful. Jan :-\


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Norfolk / Who are the parents of these two children?
« on: Monday 09 December 13 17:24 GMT (UK)  »
I've found my 3x great grandmother and her daughter on the 1841 census.
Amy Davey was born in Yarmouth about 1805,(although there are a lot of Daveys in Yarmouth on Freereg there is no Amy,) married John Hodds in 1827 and had a daughter (my 2x ggm) Charlotte, born in 1829. John Hodds, a sailor, died in 1831, and in 1834 Amy remarried a carpenter Henry Julings.
In 1841 Henry and Amy were living in North Road Yarmouth with Charlotte. (The census record has their ages wrong and also wrongly calls Charlotte Hodds Charlotte Julings.)
Also on the census are 2 other children, Amy Julings born 1839 and Benjamin Dodd born about 1837.
Free BMD records Amy's birth in 1839 and her death in 1845 as Amy Julings DODD-so she obviously isn't the child of Henry and Amy as I'd first thought. Benjamin Dodd was living with Amy Davey in 1851 (Henry having died in 1848), still in North Road, he is described as her nephew.
In 1858 Benjamin married Mary Ann Smith in Yarmouth, Amy Julings was a witness and the Freereg record gives his father as Benjamin Dodd, coal miner. (Odd when his son was born in Yarmouth-should it be mariner? It also spells Amy's name as Gillings)
I'm curious to know who the parents of these two children were- was their mother a sister of Amy Davey or of her husbands, John Hodds or Henry Julings?
There is a death record in Mutford in 1839 for Mary Ann Dodd, which is the only possible death on Free BMD but, of course there's no way of knowing anything else about her such as maiden name..
There is a marriage in 1840 of a widowed Benjamin Dodd (a sailor) to Ann Martha Cooper. Is he the father of Benjamin Jnr and little Amy?  Benjamin and Martha are in Yarmouth in 1841 so if he is their father, why aren't the children with their father and his new wife?
There is an old posting about this family http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=230519.msg3803279#msg3803279  but it doesn't solve the problem and also confuses Dodd and Hodds -they are definitely two different names.
Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted to let you know all I do know about these children in the hope that someone can discover more.

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Norfolk / Help with finding a death record, please.
« on: Monday 11 November 13 10:18 GMT (UK)  »
My 2x great grandmother had a long and eventful life, but I can't find out when it ended. She was born Harriet Osborne in Ketteringham in about 1821 and married Simon Jackson in in 1841. They had 4 children, 2 of whom survived infancy. Simon died in 1853 and Harriet's last child was born 18 months later.
Harriet worked in service for the next 20 or so years and married Robert Ewing in 1873. She was widowed again in 1889.
In 1891 she was a lodger in Hethersett, can't be found in 1901 and in 1911 is still in Hethersett living with her daughter Sarah Ann (Jackson) and son-in-law, Robert Bailey, aged 90.
I've searched Free BMD and can't find a death record for Harriet Ewing. I've also checked her previous surnames and the spelling Hewing but nothing fits.
The only death of the right age is in 1912 in North Yorkshire. While Harriet had relatives in County Durham, I can't imagine a 91 year old paying a family visit of that distance in 1912!
Could anyone suggest where I could search next?

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Suffolk / Hannah Hambling born Beccles 1796-Help please!
« on: Thursday 29 August 13 14:57 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if anyone can help me with finding what became of Hannah Hambling. She was born in Beccles 30 December 1796, baptised on 2nd January 1797, the daughter of Jonathan James Hambling and Lydia Eggett of Yarmouth, both of whom were widowed when they married in Beccles in 1794.
Hannah had an illegitimate son, William George Hambling in Beccles in 1818, (he later moved to Yarmouth, married and worked for the Trinity Service).
There is no further record of Hannah. I don't know if she married or died after William's birth. There are no census records of her and none of the Beccles records are available online, as far as I know.
I wonder if anyone has any ideas as to where I could look next.

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The Common Room / Tower of London Garrison in 1851-am I on the right track?
« on: Monday 26 August 13 12:52 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to trace William Osborne of Ketteringham Norfolk, baptised 28 February 1819, the eldest son of William and Harriet Osborne. I hadn't found any record of him after baptism until I happened on a record of the 1851 census for the Tower of London Garrison: HO107/1546/674 p 36. The year of birth is 1819, the place of birth is transcribed Killerham, Norfolk, which doesn't exist. It could easily be a poorly written Ketteringham. If it is William I cannot find any further record of him.

I wonder if anyone has any further ideas. Is it the William Osborne that I am looking for, and, if so, where could I look next? I tried googling Tower of London Garrison but I didn't find anything helpful

I'm not sure where to post this really so I thought the Common Room was my best bet to start with.

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Norfolk / How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 13:55 BST (UK)  »
The 1861 census showed that my 3x great grandfather, an agricultural labourer and several members of his family had travelled from Norfolk to Northumberland to find work, many of them ending up in the coal mines of Northumberland and Durham.
I gather that conditions for agricultural workers in Norfolk were particularly poor in the C19th. This made me wonder where other Norfolk workers ended up? Was it more common to travel up the coast to the North East or did others travel west to Wales or to the factories of the North West? (None of my ancestors seem to have travelled abroad to work until the C20th. Perhaps others were more venturesome.) I don't suppose my ancestors were the only economic migrants so where did they all go?
(I recently posted an enquiry on the Northumberland board if anyone is interested. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,649914.0.html)

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Northumberland / Norfolk farm labourers in the Northumberland/Durham coalfields
« on: Monday 10 June 13 09:53 BST (UK)  »
In 1851 my 3x great grandfather was a farm labourer in Ketteringham. In 1861, aged 65, he had moved to Earsdon Northumberland with his wife, the youngest of his 14 children and a grandson. He remained a farm labourer but the two young men were coal miners. Other members of his family, sons, daughters, nephews and nieces also travelled North, settling in either Northumberland or County Durham. In each case the men worked as miners or as labourers in related industries. Some moved with their Norfolk spouses others found partners in their new home.
I haven't followed all the families but so far I haven't found a record of any returning to Norfolk. (The exodus seems to have escaped oral history-my late mother was unaware that any of the family had ever left the county. )
I assume that changes in agriculture and lack of employment opportunities drove the families northwards. Presumably it was fairly easy to travel in returning coal barges.Was this a common occurrence or were my ancestors unusual?

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