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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Sunday 03 April 16 00:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pat,

I have found my list of Ryton on Dunsmore Wills that I intended to order from the LDS and the 1818 will of Thomas Talbot and though it does not have a tick beside it in 1993 , I did find it in my 1994  notebook.

That will, written 1805, and proven to Elizabeth on 3 Apr 1818, was for Thomas Talbott husband of Elizabeth so not the Thomas Talbott who married Mary Saunders. That Thomas (married Saunders) though did have a Hardin/Harding in his family which is why people have assumed he was the Thomas  son of Hardin. As I mentioned before, it was Elizabeths will (wife of Thomas died 187/1818) that linked her to the Guntons.

Unfortunately for us our Thomas only names his wife Elizabeth, not his brother William or sister Ann, so does not confirm William's location in 1805. What you need is something that can positively identify William son of Hardin, as being in either Kenilworth or Fillongley. Are there Hardins in your William's family? I have found Fillongley on the map. Fillongley, Kenilworth and Weston u W do form a large triangle on the map.

I think the 1801 will for Hardin Talbott is the only one left that might be worth checking. I have a vague idea though that it was actually related to the 1784 will of Hardin senior. Found it! My notes say "vide will 8 Oct 1784. Looks like it was difficult to read on the microfilm but appears to be a sworn statement by Thomas Talbott and Richard Mills that they owe Richard Smallbroke 500 pounds. The date I have is 6 Feb 1801.

Cheers

Linda

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 04:56 BST (UK)  »
Update.

After finding the Warwickshire Church records online, I was able to expand the list of the children Richard and Emlin Talbot. I found the 1708  baptism for the oldest son Hardin, and FamilySearch record the son I couldn't read in 1710 as another Richard. Only Elizabeth (noted as a minor at the time of her fathers death) remains in hiding. I think there was a baptism elsewhere that I thought might be her.

   Hardin         bap   17 May 1708
   Son Richard             22 Aug 1710  (shown as Richard in FamilySearch)
   Children Jospeh & Mary       19 March 1711
   Mary                10 MAY 1713
   Elizabeth
   Richard           "   5 SEP 1717
   Thomas            10 JUL 1719   was buried on September 19th 1719
   John            "     10 JUL 1719   was buried 5 November 1719
   Sarah           "     10 DEC 1720
   Joseph            28 FEB 1723   was buried 12 MAR 1723
   John             "   28 FEB 1723   was buried 10 MAR 1723
   Thomas         “   29 MAR 1724   
   Ann                "   29 MAR 1724      died before 1727
   William                 "     8 JAN 1727       was buried in 1729.   


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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 04:27 BST (UK)  »
Just to clarify, the two William Talbott burials cannot be the same person.

I do not know if William Talbott son of Hardin could have moved to Kenilworth prior to 1788. Or how long he would have needed to live there before he would be noted as from the Parish of Kenilworth.  I have not looked at Talbott families in Kenilworth.

Cheers

Linda

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Saturday 02 April 16 02:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pat,

I have found the marriage of William Talbott of the parish of Kenilworth to Mary Sammon at Weston under Wetherly on 13 Oct 1788.

I also found in one of my old notebooks the banns in Ryton on Dunsmore for the marriage of Richard Talbott  and Mary Sammonds on 23 Jul 1769, which may be connected.

The marriage of William Talbott to Elizabeth Ladbrook took place in Ryton on Dunsmore on 7 Jun 1803. William Talbott who was buried on 11 Apr 1820 at Ryton on Dunsmore was aged 55,so I thought he was William son of Hardin and possibly husband of Elizabeth. It would help to see the actual tomsbtones or transcription or know where they are placed, but I am a little bit far away to do that.

One thing is sure, the two Williams, one at Fillongley and one at Ryton on Dunsmore, cannot be the same person.

Cheers

Linda (NZ).

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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 23:41 BST (UK)  »
I have now added Thomas Talbot and Mary Saunders to my Graham Family tree in Ancestry, though I do not know for sure where to place Thomas. I am LM Graham127 and my tree is public.

For now I have accepted that he was the son of John and Sarah, bapt 9 Mar 1755 in Kineton.

The Thomas Talbot will of 1818 could perhaps belong to this Thomas or as I mentioned before, the Thomas son of Hardin (jnr) and Elizabeth Coakley (jnr) . It does not appear from my previous post that I hired that particular Will in to view at the LDS back in the 1980s when I started this research. I would need to check my notebooks to be sure and I am currently away from home.

I did obviously hire in the Will of the Elizabeth Talbott who died 8 Oct 1830 and as she named William Gunton as a nephew, I think she was the wife of Thomas Talbott brother of Ann Gunton nee Talbott. This makes her Elizabeth Smith (I think from Wolston) and her sister Catherine married James Chaplin.

Linda (NZ)


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Warwickshire / Re: Talbots of Ryton on Dunsmore
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 13:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pat,

I think I may have sorted out the Coakley conundrum after I posted. I now believe that Hardin Talbott b1708 died 1784, married twice. His first wife was Elizabeth Pearson, married 10 May 1734. Their son Hardin was baptised 10 Aug 1735.

I think this Elizabeth nee Pearson died in 1755 and was buried on 14th December.

Hardin (noted as Hardin senior) married again on 19 Nov 1756 to Elizabeth Coakely who was a widow from the parish of Franckton.

Hardin’s son Hardin married on 1st Oct 1756 to (another) Elizabeth Coakely who was a minor from the parish of Frankton. Her mother, Elizabeth Coakely, a widow, gave her consent

So I think father and son (both named Hardin) married mother and daughter (both named Elizabeth Coakely). This makes it a little difficult to be sure which Elizabeth wife of Hardin was the
Elizabeth wife of Hardin who was buried 14 January 1767 along with their daughter Sarah, but I did think this may be Hardin juniors wife, which as you say would make William  4 years old when she died.

The items marked " E C" in Hardin Talbott seniors will would be items left by his wife Elizabeth Coakley. In the list for Ann Gunton

"the tea tongs and six silver teaspoons marked with [E.C],"

Hardin Talbott (1735-1800)
Hardin and Elizabeth Coakely jnr had three children who survived infancy and were named in their grandfather’s Will:
   Thomas    bapt 28 Aug 1757      married 1784 Elizabeth Smith       died 1817
   Ann      bapt 25 Feb 1759      married 1781 Richard Gunton
   William   bapt 5 Jun 1763      married Elizabeth Ladbrook      died 1820

As you see from above though, I have William married to an Elizabeth Ladbrook not Mary Sammons.

So I will need to check my sources for that marriage.

I do not know the Fillongley tombstone and will have to look up where that is.

Cheers

Linda (NZ)




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Donegal / Re: MITCHELLS and COLQUHOUNS of Raphoe Donegal
« on: Sunday 27 March 16 13:50 BST (UK)  »
There are Roulstons and Colhouns in the Protestant records of the St Johnston, Monreagh, Taughboyne and Crossroads Churches so it might be worth looking at those records also.

My Dougherty and Cole families married to both Roulstons and Colhouns. I think I have seen a Roulston to Colhoun marriage or two but do not remember details.

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Down / Re: Marriage of Thomas Hunter and Anne Irwine ?
« on: Saturday 19 March 16 02:59 GMT (UK)  »
Just to add a little info. Thomas John Gawn of Ballyboley who died 1933 was the husband of Margaret Ann Hunter born 1858.

Thomas John Gawn was in turn the son of John Gawn and Jane Hunter of Ballyboley who married in 1856 at Ballyeaston. Jane was the daughter of a John Hunter. John Gawn was still alive in 1901 aged 74. I read his will just the other day but haven't noted his date of death in my tree.

John Gawn's brother Robert Gawn of Ballyboley  married Agnes Hunter. Robert was also alive in 1901 and living in Ballyboley.

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Antrim / Re: Laughlins
« on: Saturday 30 January 16 06:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Gaffy.

I didn't transcribe the notice very accurately but I believe there was a comma after the word "ground" and before the word Churchyard, which had a capital C. This is why I wondered if it was an actual place. I also would have expected to see the name of the Church if it was a churchyard, which is why it is a shame that I cannot read the word before "ground" which I am only guessing is "burying".

Yes I looked up the 1901 census and see the address for the family is Castle Street.

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