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Antrim / Re: MCMASTERS in Templepatrick, Antrim
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 07:04 BST (UK)  »
I was in contact again with Ron Coleman in April this year in regards to the source for his Carnmoney tree in Ancestry. Ron did say that the McKinney Notebook was the source for the information on the Roughfort Barron family that MFGilbert has mentioned (re Pullan connection). The marriage of MFGilbert's 4 x gt grandmother Jane Barron of Roughfort to Ezekiel D Wiley of Ballycushan took place in the Templepatrick Presbyterian Church. We share the Wiley family ancestry.

Ron Coleman has a separate tree in Ancestry for the Templepatrick families as taken from the Lylehill Presbyterian Church. Below are Ron's comments on his sources.

I extracted the early Templepatrick, Donegore and Carmoney records many years ago and kept them separate. I made no attempt to reconcile the 3 records. I did not want to guess or calculate possible relationships. Donegore has 6 early Barrons; Templepatrick has about 60 and Carnmoney has about 25. I have found there are periods in the Presbyterian Church records when " the pulpit was vacant" and parishioners used a nearby congregation for baptisms or marriages. In the case of Donegore and Templepatrick they are less than a mile apart.   It makes it difficult to properly link every one.

Cheers

Linda

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 07:29 BST (UK)  »
I have searched the Hugh Doherty deaths recorded for Londonderry in the GRO from 1864 to 1883 and the only Hugh who died aged 84, died on 10 Jan 1872.

I was looking for the Hugh who matched the Glendermott tombstone of Hugh Dougherty who died aged 84 and Martha who died aged 73.

This Hugh is therefore likely to be the Hugh who was married to Martha Mitchell and may also be the Hugh Doherty of Crumbkiln in 1831 whose Presbyterian household comprised 2 males & 4 females.

If both are correct then Jane Doherty, daughter of Hugh and Martha, who was born c1838 possibly had 3 older sisters and one older brother born pre 1831.

Although I had hoped this Hugh (now believed to have been born c 1788) was the brother of Henry Dougherty (b c1787)  of Coolkeeragh, I am no longer sure this is the case as the Hugh Dogherty of Coolkeeragh had 4 males and one female in his family in 1831. Of course he may not have been Henry's brother.

I still think there is a close relationship between the Cromkill Doughertys and The Coolkeeragh Doughertys. My 2x gt grandfather, Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh, listed 4 males & 4 females in his family in 1831. I forgot to mention one other daughter, Rachael, born c1838 who died 18 Nov 1867 aged 28. So there are several names in common in both families.

I do not know which of Henry's children were born pre 1831 and he did not name any other sons in his will (written 1874) other than my gt grandfather William John Dougherty.  The notice of Rachael's death stated she was the 5th daughter of Henry Dougherty. So at least 4 other daughters were born pre 1839, one of whom would be Martha.






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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 02:41 BST (UK)  »
My 2 x gt grandfather Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh died 5 Oct 1877 aged 90 and left a will.

Henry's wife was mentioned in the will as still living but not by name and I do not know either her first name or her maiden name.

Henry's children as mentioned in his Will were:
   Martha    (born October 1838   m 1856 William SEARLES, in Pennsylvania USA)
   William John born c1836   married Glendermott 1873 to  Margaret COLE of Mullenan
   Catherine    married John LOUTHER of Lisdillon
Margaret
Mary Jane
Eliza

I do not know anything about the three possibly unmarried daughters.

Catherine was Catherine Ann and born c1844. Catherine's oldest daughter Jane Lowther was mentioned in Henry's will of 1877. Catherine's husband John Lowther was one of the witnesses at my gt grandparents wedding in 1873.

The Lowthers had moved to Castrues, Killea in Do Donegal in 1901.

Martha Dougherty emigrated to the USA prior to 1856, possibly 1851. Different dates are given for her birth and emigration in various USA census. Martha may have been born May 1832 or Oct 1838.

My gt grandparents met when my gt grandmother, Margaret Jane Dougherty nee Cole was living with her mother's sister Catherine Colhoun nee Shiels at Bishop's St Londnderry. Margaret Jane had been sent to live with Catherine & her husband Andrew Colhoun (merchant) while she attened the Miss McKillops School.

Andrew Colhoun was the other witness at my gt grandparent's marriage and William John Dougherty is supposed to have also been a relative of the Colhouns.



Cheers

Linda.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Presbyterian Doherty, Dogherty, Dougherty of Glendermott
« on: Sunday 16 August 15 02:11 BST (UK)  »
It is a little while since I last looked at this family and my knowledge of the other Dougherty families is both second hand and scanty but for the sake of keeping track, I had added both Hugh Doherty b c1800 who married Martha Mitchell and Walker Doherty b c1798 of Cromkill to my family tree as siblings of my 2 x gt grandfather Henry Dougherty b1787 of Coolkeeragh.

In my tree I have included a son Hugh born c1834 and died 14 Aug 1911 as the son of Hugh Doherty and Martha Mitchell. Dave Mitchell identified the Jane Doherty (b1838) who married John Semple as another child of this couple. Rachel Doherty born c1845 and died29 Dec 1916 is I believe another in this family.

My grandmother and her twin sister (b1891) were the youngest children of William John Dougherty of Coolkeragh (son of Henry) and Margaret Jane Cole of Mullennan. My grandmother, Wilhelmina Foster Dougherty emigrated to NZ shortly after her marriage in 1921. Mina's twin sister , Violet S B M Dougherty, emigrated to NZ as a widow when in her 80s along with her younger daughter and family. One of Violets daughter's told me that an old Dougherty "Aunt" had left a family farm to Tilly Doak. I have hopefully identified that Aunt as the Rachel Doherty who died in 1916 and Tilly Doak as the Matlilda Semple nee Doak, who married Robert James Semple, son of Jane Doherty and John Semple.

I will separately post what I know of the family of Henry Dougherty of Coolkeeragh my 2 x gt grandfather.

Cheers

Linda (NZ)

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Antrim / Re: mckelvey family,....clough ?
« on: Monday 18 May 15 13:08 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the geography. I had only looked  at my ordinance survey map which stops just above Drummaul & Caddy so does not include Ballymena, but does include Toome.

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Antrim / Re: mckelvey family,....clough ?
« on: Monday 18 May 15 00:16 BST (UK)  »
I am interested in any McKelvey who connects to John Carey of Toome. I have no idea of how close Toome is to Clough. My family knew about a connection to John Carey and last year I found this was at the level of my 4 x gt grandparents John Ewing of Coolsythe and his wife Mary McKelvey who was born 1798. Their children were claimants on the estate of John Carey as first cousins once removed. The article below identified a McKelvey as related to the mother of John Carey so I believe my Mary McKelvey was his cousin. I do not know anything about her McKelvey family and would like to know if anyone has similar connections.

I did think the most likely family was the John McKelvey of Cranfield in the 1833 Tithes. As I understand it, a John McKelvey of Cranfield was one of the people who helped establish the 2nd Presbyterian Meeting House in Randalstown.

Below is an excerpt from a newspaper about the claims on the estate of John Carey who died 1891.

to bring forward a number of other claimants to the estate of the late John Carey, of Toome. What may eventually ensue is hard to predict, but Frederick Wm. Carey continues to be confident in the success of his efforts. As we previously pointed out he was so successful, when last the matter was before the Master of the rolls in the Dublin Courts, as to displace John McKelvie, by whom a conditional order was obtained on the ground that he was the nearest of kin, but whose relativity was on the maternal side, while Carey’s is on the paternal.

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Antrim / Re: Variation of the name Nancy ( other than Agnes and Nan)?
« on: Tuesday 24 February 15 23:28 GMT (UK)  »
Regarding GRO index records; the ones I have seen do not seem to show any second names and I wondered if only first names appear in the index.


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Antrim / Re: Robert Simpson from Antrim, Ireland
« on: Saturday 21 February 15 02:56 GMT (UK)  »
There is a will for a Robert Simpson of Ballyrobert. He mentions a brother George in the USA and half sisters by the name of McComb.

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Antrim / Re: Robert Simpson from Antrim, Ireland
« on: Saturday 21 February 15 01:18 GMT (UK)  »
I see there is a Robert Simpson in the Grange of Ballyrobert in Templepatrick in the Griffiths valuations of 1862. Would that be him? If so you can follow the changes of occupier of the property (29 acres) in the Revaluations available online o PRONI. You can also look to see who their neighbours were. Always a good check for spouses names. The only name I can see that is close to Shea is Rea. I have come across quite a few Reas when looking at my families who are in the same area.

You can also look for a will in PRONI.

Cheers

Linda.

My Templepatrick names include Graham, Lynn, Courtney, Wiley.

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