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England / Re: A Cato Mystery
« on: Friday 02 December 16 18:21 GMT (UK)  »
This conundrum has had been scratching my head since yesterday and looking at previous posts on the Simpsons.  I would agree that  Charles Abberley in 1881 was unlikely to be the son of John Abberley whose first wife Dorothea died  and their son John French was born in 1874 the same year Charles Abberley was born

Not that it helps much but I did wonder if Elizabeth Wakley living in Aldershot in 1871 and listed as married was the wife/partner of a soldier as many of the wives lodging in the town were??  I noticed a William Wakeley b 1833 Lincoln in 1871.   A soldier in the barracks at Aldershot and although listed as unmarried this might indicate their legal status.   At the moment I can't see him in another census or a marriage :-\

Kay

Edit - I don't suppose that the birth cert lists the number of the property in Fleet St where Charles was born?


Hi Kay,


Thank you for your reply.

I did not realise that there was a John Ffrench Abberley! The only thing that was holding me back putting Elizabeth Simpson as Charles' mother was there was always the chance that Dorothea could have died giving birth to Charles Abberley and for whatever reason his birth was not registered. Well, now I know that Dorothea probably died giving birth to, or shortly after, John's birth - So it looks like Charles has to be a Simpson!

I did think that Elizabeth Wakley could well have been the wife of a soldier, there does seem to be quite a few around the area. I did also find William Wakley's army records and did wonder if it was him as he was discharged in 1872 at Aldershot, but like you I have not been able to find a marriage. I have not yet had a look for William on any census.

I have had a look at the certificate and it does just say Fleet Street.

MercianSte

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England / Re: A Cato Mystery
« on: Friday 02 December 16 08:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your reply's.


It is not actually a birth for Charles Simpson I am looking for as I have searched for this until I am blue in the face. The entry outlined above is for the son of Sampson and Sarah Simpson whereas my Charles states that he was illegitimate on his marriage certificate. Also the Charles from the Birth registration was born Willington and can be found living at Mickleover on the 1901 census whereas my Charles was living at Stapenhill on the same census.


I am actually after information in regards to Charles Cato. The more I look into this the more I am starting to believe that he may well be my Charles Simpson. I have been unable to find a marriage between Charles Cato and Elizabeth Wakley nor a marriage between Elizabeth Simpson and a Mr Wakley so I am beginning to think that Elizabeth was not actually married to either and reverted back to her maiden name after her relationship with Charles Snr broke down. Of course if a marriage could be found for either the Cato-Wakley or Wakley-Simpson relationship's then this theory will break down and I can disregard the record.


After spending the whole of yesterday evening on this if anybody is up for a challenge I could do with an extra pair of eyes to see if they can find the following;

  • Marriage of Charles Cato Snr and Elizabeth Wakley (No other Cato births with MMN Simpson on the GRO Index within a 5 year period)
  • Marriage of Elizabeth Simpson to a Mr. Wakley
  • On the 1871 Census their is an Elizabeth Wakley living on High Street, Aldershot, Hampshire. She is aged 30 years, a Stay Maker and was born Oxford Street, Middlesex. Can anybody find her on any other census?
These are the main three at the moment. The reason why I have taken an interested in the Elizabeth living at Aldershot is because I have long believed that Charles' mother was the Elizabeth Simpson who married John Abberley in Burton-upon-Trent. She was born around 1840 on Oxford Street, London and was a Stay Maker on the 1861 Census, I am sure you can see why I am started to get a bit exited about this one! (There is a Charles Abberley born circa 1874 on the 1881 census living with John & Elizabeth and it certainly looks like he was not John's child).


Thanks,
MercianSte

21
England / A Cato Mystery
« on: Thursday 01 December 16 14:10 GMT (UK)  »
I have just received a birth record from the GRO but it has completely baffled me! I just cannot seem to find the parents of the child anywhere, no marriage index, census records, nothing!


The child in question was called Charles Cato, the son of Charles Cato and Elizabeth Cato late Wakley formerly Simpson. He was born on the 25 January 1874 at Fleet Street, Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire. Charles Snr was a Railway Labourer and Elizabeth could sign her own name, so I guess Cato would be the correct spelling of the name.


I just cannot find a marriage between Charles and Elizabeth, or between an Elizabeth Simpson and Mr. Wakley on the GRO index's. Neither can I find Charles Snr & Jnr or Elizabeth on the 1881 Census.


Does anybody have any idea where I could look next?


MercianSte


Edit: Sorry, I should also have mentioned that I was hoping that Charles Cato was in fact my ellusive ancestor Charles Simpson who was born around this time in Burton. I guess there is still a slight chance that he might be in there is no marriage between Charles and Elizabeth.

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Armed Forces / Re: Possible Army Kit?
« on: Friday 01 July 16 08:48 BST (UK)  »

Thank you so much for your replies. I am really chuffed that my Mom saved this from the bin!
I also have found this about the housewife: http://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/1371020 and also this: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/217047-housewife-sewing-kit/

The latter link has quite a bit of information as to the contents of the housewife, particularly from the contributor "Tocemma".

RRTB


Thanks for posting this link, it is great to see other examples of exactly the same piece of kit, just made from other materials. The explanation by 'Tocemma' is great as well, it really gives me a sense of what my great grandfather would have held in the housewife.


The badge is Royal Navy - Air Mechanic Branch. The "A" designates "Airframe".

If it had been an "E" it would have been "Engines,  "L" for Electrical, and "O" for Ordnance.

The fact that there is no Star or Crown above the blades means he was either 1st or 2nd Class AM.


Thanks for posting, I had just found reference to that particular design on a website about the WRNS, would the main Navy have used the same patches? My grandfather was actually a stoker but he did service on the air craft carrier HMS Implacable so perhaps he exchanged badges with a friend when he left the service.

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Armed Forces / Re: Possible Army Kit?
« on: Thursday 30 June 16 21:06 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your replies. It certainly looks similar to the image on the Australian War Memorial site! That Australian one is from the Second World War but I guess the principle would be the same with all the sewing items being held in the rectangular pocket at the end (the website does not say what is held in the three vertical strips, I have no idea what they would have original held especially when the kit was rolled together).

Having had another look at the kit there does seem to be some fabric lodged in the centre of one of the leather strips so hopefully there will be something else interesting to find, I just have to figure out how to get it out!

To think that I now having something that my great grandfather took with him, if he had it from the start of his service it has been to India and back as well as to the trench's of the first world war. It really does make the hair's on the back of my neck stand on end, and the timing is brilliant as well, 100 years ago tomorrow my great grandfather took a bullet in the left soldier serving his country, perhaps I now hold a link to that tragic day (not only for Lance Corporal Florence but also the country at large).

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Armed Forces / Re: Possible Army Kit?
« on: Thursday 30 June 16 20:12 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply. I will certainly look into the Gun Cleaning kit link - I cannot seem to find any information about these kits online at the moment.


Having looked at some Navy trade badges I agree that the one I found is probably one of them. I would not read much into this in connection to the actually item I am looking at as my grandfather was in the Navy and has probably slipped this in after his father had died. Edit: Although having looked online it looks like the trade badge in question is for the WRNS so god knows why my grandfather would have had it!


Many thanks,
MercianSte

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Armed Forces / Re: Possible Army Kit?
« on: Thursday 30 June 16 19:42 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, I should have mentioned that! It is a felt type material and is actually black, not blue (I think the colours are out slightly in the image).


Also, I should have mentioned in my original post that there are two ribbons on the triangle side of the item, it looks like it is designed to be rolled up with the ribbons tied together to hold the item in place.

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Armed Forces / Possible Army Kit?
« on: Thursday 30 June 16 19:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,


I have just received the following item (please see image attached, I have no idea how to describe it!) which I think may be part of my Great-Grandfather's army kit.


Stamped on it is N.S.? (I think R) 9083 which I think stands for North Staffordshire Regiment 9083, my Great-Grandfather's regiment and regimental number. Does anybody know if this was part of the army kit and does anybody know what it was used for - the piece of fabric and the left of the item seems to possible have held needles or something similar as there are three small pin holes (one of these can be seen on the image, middle top of the fabric). Below the fabric is a small pocket, and there are three leather strips (or pockets), the stamp is on the middle strip.


I hope all this makes sense!


Also, I found the badge tucked into one of the leather straps, does anybody have any idea what this logo is for? I have no idea if this is contemporary with the main item or if it was tucked away later.


MercianSte

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London and Middlesex / Re: Colney Hatch Cemetery
« on: Tuesday 16 February 16 14:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for having a look for me ReadyDale, it's a shame that Jane is not buried there. You are right about the death being registered in the Lambeth Registration District, she died at Stockwell, but her parent's grave states she was buried at Colney Hatch Cemetery.

Oh well, this family history lark would be no fun if it was easy! My search for Colney Hatch Cemetery goes on!

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