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1774
Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Warburg/Warbury family Isle of Wight early 1800s
« on: Tuesday 05 April 11 15:22 BST (UK)  »
I have an Eliza born on the Isle of Wight around 1800 that married a James Whitney (place & date unknown). Their son Edwyn was born c1826 in Hereford (exact place & date unknown)

I suspect Eliza's maiden name was Warburg or Warbury (spelling varies on different transcriptions of the name) as this is used as a second christian name for one of Edwyn's children.

On the 1851 census she gives her birthplace as Isle of Wight.

Does anyone know of  a Warburg/Warbury family around this time?

1775
The Common Room / Re: David Rollo: "Drowned - in Berwick Bay"
« on: Tuesday 05 April 11 09:31 BST (UK)  »
you may never find out full details beyond what you already have.

I too have someone on my tree who was said to have "drowned at sea" (this tim from the Liverpool area).

When I posted a question on another board I was given this info:

If a person died from sickness or (say) a heart attack at sea on board a British-registered ship the event was reported by the vessel's master on reaching a British port, and should feature in the GRO Marine Deaths Registers, indexes to which are to be found on fiche at most Record Offices and many good libraries. Copies of actual entries in the registers can be accessed (for a fee) via a handful of subscription sites eg Find My Past, though FindMyPast's coverage is currently limited to the years 1850-1890.

However, if a vessel sank with all hands, or simply disappeared without trace, there was no-one to 'officially' report the deaths of those known to be on board, so as a general rule you won't find any of their names in any official record. If you haven't been able to locate the death of a seafaring ancestor or relative (or of someone who may have been a passenger on one of the many 'emigrant' ships which were lost in the 1800's/early 1900's) then this could well be the reason.

If a seaman was washed (or fell, or 'jumped') overboard from a British-registered ship and drowned, without his body being recovered, then the vessel's master would have done no more than record the 'incident' in the ship's log.
Unless a body was recovered, and formally identified, there WON'T be an entry in any official 'death at sea' record.


1776
The Common Room / Re: Unusual name/nickname - Aunt Bepy
« on: Monday 04 April 11 22:08 BST (UK)  »
the only other clues are somewhat useless

the family was from the Weedon area of Northampton

we have some steroscopic slides ( i think of general landscape views and similar subjects - i only saw them once a couple of years ago - i will have to see if i can borrow them from my mother).

One or two have an inscription:

Aunt Bepy from CDC
Aunt Bepy from MC
Ancient Church near Gloster  EC
Glos Cathedral  EC

Theres some with names -- but I cannot connect the names with the family :

Mary Crawley done by Mr Hall Sep 1870
G Brander May 2nd 1862
Paul and Virginia

I have got a possible couple for EC and MC -- there's a Mary Ann Clarke with a husband Edwin/Henry (tho i'm not exactly sure how she fits into the family but she was brought up by a member of the family) - but havent got a CDC connected to them



1777
The Common Room / Re: Unusual name/nickname - Aunt Bepy
« on: Monday 04 April 11 20:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Colin Cruddace on Monday 04 April 11 20:25 BST (UK)
Perhaps the letter 'p' in the surname could be the old style 'ss', written as 'fs', making her Aunt Bessy  :-\

Colin


unfortunately not, as my mother also remembers my gran (her mother-in-law) talking about Aunt Bepy and it was definitely Bepy, not Bessie

Have had a look at the census entries - none are in the right area (Northamptonshire) - and some of them do look like they could be transcription errors for Betsy/Bessie


Hepzibah sounds a good variation -- but so far none traced in the family!

thanks for all the suggestions so far  :)

1778
The Common Room / Re: Unusual name/nickname - Aunt Bepy
« on: Monday 04 April 11 10:36 BST (UK)  »
No Elizabeth, Betty or similar in the family circle

Have thought it is a mispronunciation - or even the initials B P - but cannot find a suitable candidate

1779
The Common Room / Unusual name/nickname - Aunt Bepy
« on: Monday 04 April 11 09:19 BST (UK)  »
I have references in family papers to an Aunt Bepy -- anyone got any idea what name this would be short for?

I am not sure if she is my grandmothers aunt or my gret-grandmothers aunt - but she would have been alive around 1860 onwards

1780
Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: another Watson mystery: who is Mary Ann Page?
« on: Saturday 02 April 11 22:26 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for this info!

Now to track down Elizabeth's parentage!

1781
Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / Re: another Watson mystery: who is Mary Ann Page?
« on: Saturday 02 April 11 20:54 BST (UK)  »
i only "found" her last night, and have taken the marriage details from freeBMD.
I think i will have to put this certificate on the "to-buy" list

Unless either Thomas or Joseph were indulging in extra-marital affairs, I am at a loss to think who's child she could be. None of the children from Joseph's second marriage were old enough to have fathered any. It is possible that there were some as yet untraced children from Joseph's first marriage - or even of Thomas's -  that could be her parent.

Her birthplace on the censuses is Weedon

1782
Completed Northamptonshire Lookup Requests / another Watson mystery: who is Mary Ann Page? COMPLETED thanks!
« on: Saturday 02 April 11 18:57 BST (UK)  »
 The elderly Thomas Watson and his wife Mary of Nether Heyford seem to have brought up a child that I cannot fit into the family

In 1841 she is Mary Page age 2 Thomas is 55 and his wife 65
In 1851 she is Mary Ann Page age 10 Thomas is 64 and his wife 74. Mary Ann is described as "neice"
When she married in 1858 she used the name Mary Ann Watson Page
In 1861 she a "visitor" in the Watson household with her baby son.
In later censuses she is living in Weedon with husband & children

Thomas had 2 brothers and a sister (that i have traced). I have not traced any children of Thomas & Mary. One brother died aged 17 in 1795, the sister died unmarried age 22 in 1811. The other brother, my Joseph (subject of my two previous posts) was bringing up his own family of children including another Mary Ann in Heyford and Weedon at this time.

So who was Mary Ann Page and why was she being brought up by the childless Thomas & Mary rather than Joseph & Ann who had other children about the same age and would seem the more logical choice?

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