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« on: Tuesday 04 October 11 21:51 BST (UK) »
Apologies if this posted in the wrong place, but it seemed the most logical to me as it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else.
I am sure that most people doing family research will at some stage hit a brickwall, I have several but on all bar one I have still have avenues to explore before giving up or asking for help.
On this one I would appreciate the thoughts & ideas of the community.
On 6th June 1849 Philip Benjamin Scott married Eliza Keats at St Johns in Manchester. Her age is shown as 'full' and her father as James Keats Wine Merchant.
Witnesses William Henry Bateman & Sarah Pagu**. Neither name mean anything to me or fit the tree.
1841 Census - Philip is living in Stepney
1851 Census - Philip is living in Rickergate, Cumberland and shows as 'unmarried?'
Eliza Scott is living in Lambeth, birth date abt 1812 born in London with children George Scott aged 7 and Kate Scott aged 4
1861 census - Eliza is living in St Helier, birth date abt 1815 England, with George J aged 17, Kate E aged 14 and Walter aged 8.
I have not found a record for Philip.
1871 census - Kate is living with her aunt in Jersey
Eliza, now born c1819 Exeter, Philip and Walter now aged 18 are living in Cardiff.
Eliza died in Oct-Dec 1878 in Cardiff, shows birth c1819
The children
George John Scott died on 26th June 1861 by drowning at St Quen's Bay, Jersey. He was bathing with some friends and was unable to get back to the shore against the current. The inquest shows that he shouted to his friends and they managed to get to safety. Sadly George did not & his body was found 3 days later. His death certificate gives his age as 16 years and 8 months. So born in September, October or November 1844. His age, as above, was also given at the inquest along with him being born in London.
Katherine Eliza born 20th May 1846 at Highgate, Kendal. Mother Eliza Scott formerly Keates. So 3months years before their marriage at Manchester.
Walter born 18th Sept 1852 in Burlington Place, Carlisle. Mother Eliza Scott formerly Keath.
The problem
I cannot locate a George John Scott or Keates born in London at this time.
I cannot find Eliza in 1841.
Philip has at least 8 vicars as father, grandfather, uncles, great uncles & cousins. I know that he could have had children outside of wedlock, but it does seem to make it less likely.
My theories
That Philip & Eliza married outside the UK first
That George was from Eliza's first marriage or was illegitimate
Finally, fyi Eliza is my great great grandmother
All thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc appreciated.
I am sure that most people doing family research will at some stage hit a brickwall, I have several but on all bar one I have still have avenues to explore before giving up or asking for help.
On this one I would appreciate the thoughts & ideas of the community.
On 6th June 1849 Philip Benjamin Scott married Eliza Keats at St Johns in Manchester. Her age is shown as 'full' and her father as James Keats Wine Merchant.
Witnesses William Henry Bateman & Sarah Pagu**. Neither name mean anything to me or fit the tree.
1841 Census - Philip is living in Stepney
1851 Census - Philip is living in Rickergate, Cumberland and shows as 'unmarried?'
Eliza Scott is living in Lambeth, birth date abt 1812 born in London with children George Scott aged 7 and Kate Scott aged 4
1861 census - Eliza is living in St Helier, birth date abt 1815 England, with George J aged 17, Kate E aged 14 and Walter aged 8.
I have not found a record for Philip.
1871 census - Kate is living with her aunt in Jersey
Eliza, now born c1819 Exeter, Philip and Walter now aged 18 are living in Cardiff.
Eliza died in Oct-Dec 1878 in Cardiff, shows birth c1819
The children
George John Scott died on 26th June 1861 by drowning at St Quen's Bay, Jersey. He was bathing with some friends and was unable to get back to the shore against the current. The inquest shows that he shouted to his friends and they managed to get to safety. Sadly George did not & his body was found 3 days later. His death certificate gives his age as 16 years and 8 months. So born in September, October or November 1844. His age, as above, was also given at the inquest along with him being born in London.
Katherine Eliza born 20th May 1846 at Highgate, Kendal. Mother Eliza Scott formerly Keates. So 3
Walter born 18th Sept 1852 in Burlington Place, Carlisle. Mother Eliza Scott formerly Keath.
The problem
I cannot locate a George John Scott or Keates born in London at this time.
I cannot find Eliza in 1841.
Philip has at least 8 vicars as father, grandfather, uncles, great uncles & cousins. I know that he could have had children outside of wedlock, but it does seem to make it less likely.
My theories
That Philip & Eliza married outside the UK first
That George was from Eliza's first marriage or was illegitimate
Finally, fyi Eliza is my great great grandmother
All thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc appreciated.
