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Carlow / Re: Kearney Family Ballymoon
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 19:03 BST (UK)  »
I'm a recent starter on rootschat.
A Healy woman possibly Mary Married a John Kearney. circa 1880
Their daughter Married John Shiel circa 1910 who was in Hardware/ Builders providers in Bagenalstown

Do you know which graveyard was in use for Bagnelstown circa 1900

Either Dunleckney;
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_Graves_incriptions.pdf

Or maybe the "new" cemetery on the Fenagh road(also called Dunleckney at times)


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Carlow / Re: Kearney Family Ballymoon
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 18:33 BST (UK)  »
I'm a recent starter on rootschat.
A Healy woman possibly Mary Married a John Kearney. circa 1880
Their daughter Married John Shiel circa 1910 who was in Hardware/ Builders providers in Bagenalstown

Do you know which graveyard was in use for Bagnelstown circa 1900

What would you like to know re. Healy/Kearney/Sheill ?
Sitting here looking out at Kearneys?Sheills farm as I speak ?
Will ask a neighbour tomorrow about them as he would know as much about them as anyone.


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Agha/Rathedon/1038528/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Ballymoon/Ballymoon/309337/

Both these places were owned by Sheills .One still is.

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Carlow / Re: Richard Kelly - 1853 Carlow
« on: Saturday 30 August 14 22:59 BST (UK)  »
Afraid no Kelly listed in Griffiths for that particular townsland (1852)


http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=&firstname=&offset=0&countyname=&parishname=&parishname&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrow.
Griffiths just lists landowners(landlords) and their tenants(farmers and cottagers).

If for example he was living in a house rented or owned by someone else then he would not be listed.Searched also for a Richard Kelly on Griffiths but no likely ones among the 16 listed for Carlow.

Couple of Kellys (James Patrick and Patrick Jnr.) listed as tenants of Alexanders in Tomard townsland( which is about a mile or so from Raheendoran) but thats just guesswork.
No Kellys listed with Rochfort as landlord

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Carlow / Re: Richard Kelly - 1853 Carlow
« on: Saturday 30 August 14 22:44 BST (UK)  »
The two nearest estates to Raheendoran were Alexanders of Milford(their land is around the townsland of Raheendoran and back to Milford) and Rochforths of Clogrennan.http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Clogrennane/


Alexanders are still there but Clogrennan castle is long a ruin.
To be honest Alexanders look a better bet as the present houses in Raheen are adjoining their fields.
No Kellys in Raheendoran townsland in 1901;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Clogrennane/Raheendoran/



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Laois (Queens) / Re: Clonany? Queens County, Ireland
« on: Wednesday 28 May 14 00:43 BST (UK)  »
Could it be Conahy?Wouldn't be a million miles from the Laois border.

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Carlow / Re: Aylward Nolan Families
« on: Wednesday 02 April 14 19:51 BST (UK)  »
From the inscriptions in Dunleckney graveyard;This was the graveyard for the Bagenalstown area for a good few years.

To Mark the spot of Earth,Where Rests in the sleep of Death,The bodies of two little Sisters,Katey and Lizzie,the belov'd children of Thomas and Anne Aylward.To them this world of woe to tread.It was not given;they are above with him who said,of Such is Heaven!1846

Might be of some help as regards Thomas Aylward.

Full list of inscriptions here;


http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_Graves_incriptions.pdf

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Ireland / Re: Traditional Irish naming pattern
« on: Tuesday 25 March 14 10:43 GMT (UK)  »
One of the issues I have come across with families paying some adherence to the naming pattern is that to avoid confusion, they seem to christen the child with one name and call him something else. With many records only having a first name on it, it is nearly impossible to know that  the 'Maurice' on the records is in fact the 'James' you are looking for, as it is with one of my ancestors. Indeed, I have one family, mainly boys born in fairly quick succession, who only seem to be known by their second names. Thankfully, the 1901 census has the first and second names recorded- very helpful.

More common than you might think.

My nephew is officially one particular name but it has never been used.Instead he is known by an abbreviated version of a name that is not found at all in our family.This is used on everything he gets,despite having no official status.

A neighbour is the same,called a name that was something that his granny called him when he was young.

Strangely enough,my own godfather was unaware of what he was christened until he went looking for his baptismal cert. when he was getting married.He honestly got a shock when the priest told him that there was no one of that particular name on the register(Thomas  *******) but there was a Martin ******* born to the correct parents about that time.

A bit off topic I know ,but have had many a "discussion" regarding both given and surname spelling and versions with people who try to tell you"but we never spelled it that way so it couldn't be our crowd"
For example people used Mcdonnell ,Mcdonell,Mdonnel,Macdonald,Mcdonald, etc as the same surname or Walsh,Walshe,Welsh,Welshe etc
Even simple versions of christian names can be different eg. Anne or Ann or Catherine,Katherine and Kate used on official papers plus lots of examples of people as the above poster mentioned,using their second name to distinguish themselves from another family member or even a cousin or neighbour(common enough where you have lots of different famikies in the same small area with the same surname

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Ireland / Re: Traditional Irish naming pattern
« on: Monday 24 March 14 22:48 GMT (UK)  »
The problem with relying too heavily on naming patterns is that, apart from the fact that not all families followed it, there are lots of things that can upset it. Common ones that I have encountered are when the father and either of the grandparents have the same name. So you obviously can’t have two or even three sons all with the same name, so a different name must be used instead; if a child dies young, then it was common practice to re-use the name. And if you don’t know about the death, your analysis of who they were named after could be completely wrong; Or if a close relative had just died and their name was used out of respect. I have also noticed that many families liked to name the odd child after the local Minister/Priest, schoolteacher or a relative with no children of their own. So for all these reasons, whilst tradition says, for example, that the 4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother, it isn’t always so.

Agree with that but my paternal grandfather had sisters christened Mary Jane,Mary Anne and Mary Catherine(Kate).These were the actual names they used all their adult life.Must have been confusing calling those in for their dinner!!

Afraid my family on both sides were traditional Irish farmers who used and reused the same names with very little exception from generation to generation.Leaves it mighty hard at times when you combine the 3 or 4 most common surnames in their respective counties with a selection of christian names such as John,Patrick,James,Joseph,Mary,Elizabeth,Catherine,Anne,Margaret etc.

One thing that stands out is the fact that most families seem to have one "signature" christian name that seemed to be used a lot even amongst cousins.

In my family tree one family had a Jerome at least once in every generation for 100 years in every family whilst another had  "Daniel" used a lot ,sometimes as a second name when an older brother had it as his given name.

Often wondered if people were aware of using this pattern or if its all just coincidence?
When I pointed it out to my own mother a few years ago as to how she christened us,she said it was just the names that sprang to mind at the time(early 1970's) as most people even at this stage were sticking to "traditional" "normal" names therefore choice was somewhat limited and it was prob. easier to just use the familar ones.

For example ,thinking about it now,every boy in my class was either named after his father or grandparents or had a brother who was.Same with the girls and it was only when it came to very large families(10 plus at that time) that an odd"different " name might be used and even then it was a rarity.

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