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Hi Mike,

Thanks to you I have managed to find, on the IGI:

William Langham bap 25/12/1772 Shearsby, Leicestershire  Parents William Langham and Mary

and William Langham m Mary Goodman Shearsby, 9/1/1772

I am thrilled!

Can I ask one final favour?  Please could you tell me if William Langham buried All Saints, 7/12/1818, was the only William Langham to be buried in All Saints from about 1795 to 1841?

 If there is another (or others even), please could you give me the details?

Many thanks,

Chris

Thank you very much for that Mike, I am so grateful for and delighted to have that.
 I'm so glad that it gave his age, as this might now help me to find his birth.

Thanks again,

Chris

Hi Dobby,

I'm fast reaching the conclusion that you are certifiable! (by the way, I passed that stage a long time ago!).

Seriously, John Hirst married Rachel Mare in Kirkburton, All Hallows in 1823. He was described as being from the parish of Emley; so it fits in with him working in Uncle Matthew's coal business. (Rachel was OTP).

Kindest Regards,

Chris

Hi Dobby,

I'm still mulling things thru, but I have found the following:

Matthew Jagger bap 1747 K'Burton
John Jagger bap 28/2/1755 also KB. Both have Abraham as father.

And

John Jagger bap 16/11/1760 Emley Parents: Robert and Beatrice Jagger
Matthew Jagger bap 13/6/1773 Emley Parents: Robert and Elizabeth Jagger

Now I have also found the following marriage:

John Jagger m Ann Walker in KB on 27/12/1779 both OTP  But neither of them signed

So, I think that this John is the one bap 28/2/1755

Also, on the Matthew Jagger m Elizabeth Jessop marriage in Penistone 15/10/1810, Matthew signed and also the wits (John Jaggar and Jas Jagger) signed.

So, I began to think that my 2 were the Emley ones, so back to Emley parish records and Census.

I have also found several other children of Robert and Beatrice/Elizabeth, inc:

James s of Robert and Betty Jaggar bap May 21st 1775 and Robert s of Robert and Elizabeth Jagger bap Jan 25th 1767.

So, my John and Matthew were (half) brothers.

Matthew is on the 1841 Census in KB District 6, with Elizabeth and some of his family.

Finally, Emley, burial  Oct 2nd 1842;

Matthew Jaggar, Shelly in KB age 69

So both his age and John's (buried in Penistone) fit the Emley baps.

I've also found that, Matthew had at least one son, also John Jagger who on various censuses is described as retired Colliery Owner; they live in Linfit Lane, in KB - this is the same address as my John Hirst, when he is baptising his children, and I suspect that my JH worked in the Jagger family business, and it was Uncle Matthew witnessing his marriage. Great!

I think I have now got my man! I've also found a marriage for John's parents, so I'm delighted, but there are still a few lose ends to tie up. Your help along the way has been invaluable; I don't think I would have got this far without it. Thanks again Dobby, you have been brilliant! One final thing, do you happen to know where Sophley is in Penistone?

Thanks again,

Chris