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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Wednesday 12 October 11 20:21 BST (UK)  »
Richard,

Thanks for all the information on the Rivieres. You seem to know a lot about the Huguenots. Last night I found quite a few old books on them available for free download, and have 5 or 6 of them on my computer to look through.

nvb272,

Briton Riviere (1840-1920) was the son of William Riviere (1806-1876), son of Daniel Valentine Riviere (1779-1854). You'll find quite a bit about the Riviere family by searching under "Daniel Valentine Riviere" (who appears to be one of its more famous members, so this search term will tend to turn up other members of the family) on Google, and in Google Books. They are mentioned in art history books, because Daniel Valentine Riviere was a celebrated miniaturist, whose work appears in auctions. He had 12 children, a number of whom were also artists, and his oldest daughter, Anna (9 Jan 1810 - 18 Mar 1884) was a singer who married Henry Rowley Bishop, a well-known English singer in 1831. She died in New York City. This is just one example of a number of biographical entries which turn up online about this family.

Fred

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 17:58 BST (UK)  »
Here are further records of this family from Family Search:

Rebecca Riviere   spouse: Daniel Riviere

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

child: Samuel Newton Riviere   
   
name:   Samuel Newton Riviere
event type:   Baptism
christening date:   19 May 1753
christening place:   Westminster, London
father's name:   Daniel Riviere
mother's name:   Rebecca Riviere
record set:   RG4_4548
   
Rebecca Riviere   spouse: Daniel Riviere

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

child:   Sarah Riviere 
   
name:   Sarah Riviere
event type:   Baptism
christening date:   14 Sep 1754
christening place:   Westminster, London
father's name:   Daniel Riviere
mother's name:   Rebecca Riviere
record set:   RG4_4548
   
Rebecca Riviere   spouse: Daniel Riviere

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

child:   Jean Riviere
   
name:   Jean Riviere
event type:   Baptism
christening date:   28 Mar 1762
christening place:   Westminster, London
father's name:   Daniel Riviere
mother's name:   Rebecca Riviere
record set:   RG4_4548

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 17:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Richarde,

Thanks for this very interesting information. What are the record sources for this?

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 08:01 BST (UK)  »
And this could be the record of the marriage of the father of Sarah and Daniel. Interesting that the record does not list the name of the bride.

Daniel Riviere

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

parents:   Mathieu Riviere
   
name:   Daniel Riviere
event type:   Marriage
marriage date:   06 Sep 1720
marriage place:   Soho, Middlesex
father's name:   Mathieu Riviere
record set:   RG4_4639

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 07:56 BST (UK)  »
This would appear to be baptism and marriage of the brother of Sarah Riviere:

Daniel Riviere

England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

parents:   Daniel Riviere
   
name:   Daniel Riviere
event type:   Baptism
christening date:   25 Sep 1757
christening place:   Westminster, London
father's name:   Daniel Riviere
record set:   RG4_4548

Daniel Riviere

England Marriages, 1538–1973       marriage:   26 Apr 1779   Saint Anne Soho,​Westminster,​London,​England

spouse:   Elizabeth Howearth
   
groom's name:   Daniel Riviere
bride's name:   Elizabeth Howearth
marriage date:   26 Apr 1779
marriage place:   Saint Anne Soho,Westminster,London,England
indexing project (batch) number:   M06236-5
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   918609

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 07:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Sharon.

I just found this myself a few minutes ago and was going to post it!  It does seem like it has a good chance of being a match.

Fred

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London and Middlesex / Re: Sarah Riviere French huguenot?
« on: Tuesday 11 October 11 06:24 BST (UK)  »
Sarah Riviere and Samuel Brittain are my GGGG grandparents. All I have about them is that they married 6 Aug 1778, St. Anne, Soho, Westminster, London.

They had the following children:

Samuel Brittain  (1780 – )
 
Frederick Brittain  (1782 – 1832)
 
Sarah Elizabeth Brittain  (1785 – )
 
Thomas George Brittain  (1788 – )
 
John James Brittain  (1791 – )

I am descended from Samuel Brittain. I am also interested in learning more about Sarah Riviere.

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Herefordshire / Re: Dalley
« on: Tuesday 04 October 11 19:01 BST (UK)  »
KGarrad and MargP,

Thanks for the replies.  I should have mentioned in starting this thread that I'd done some investigation of various Dallow possibilities (see my thread below titled Dallow for the details on the way this played out). I was actually pretty much convinced that the Fownhope Dallow family mentioned here was my line. One reason was that, though I could find no matches for Thomas Dalley connected to Fownhope, I found Thomas Dallow, and he shows up again in the 1871 census. So, it seemed more than a coincidence, that my Thomas Dalley seemed absent from the 1861 and 1871 censuses, while Thomas Dallow appeared in both. Moreover, Fownhope seemed to be a very small place, and this increased my confidence in the equation Thomas Dallow = Thomas Dalley.

Then I sent for the birth certificate mentioned here, Hereford 6a 456, 2nd quarter 1854. The person identified is Thomas Dallow, born 20 Apr 1854, Bye St. St. Peters, to Thomas Dallow, Postman, and Caroline Dallow, late Caswell, formerly Carpenter.

It appears that the Thomas Dallow in this certificate is not the Thomas Dallow in the Fownhope family, and both families appear separately through several censuses. In addition, it doesn't seem that the Thomas Dallow of the birth certificate is my Thomas Dalley, because I find a good match for him living with a widowed Caroline Dallow (mother) in Croydon Surrey in the 1881 census. Birth dates for both are consistent with earlier records.

Back to the Fownhope Dallows. It looks like Ann Dallow married and was widowed fairly quickly, then married a 2nd time to Joseph Dallow, who died before the 1861 census. If Joseph Dallow is correctly identified as the father of this Thomas Dallow, as I think is likely (not certain, just rather likely - see Dallow thread), then he's ruled out as my GG grandfather, because the marriage certificate of Thomas Dalley and Bessie Westacott gives his name as Thomas.

So that's as far as I've got in starting the search again. I haven't ruled out Dallow or any other variant of Dalley. At the moment, though, it appears these two Dallow candidates are not the right ones. 

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Herefordshire / Dalley
« on: Tuesday 04 October 11 08:43 BST (UK)  »
I'm researching the Dalley family in Herefordshire and potentially in nearby counties. My G grandfather was Thomas Dalley (1855 - 1897). Here's what I have so far: He was born about 1855 in Fownhope, Herefordshire, according to one census, the other just giving Herefordshire. He appears in the 1881 and 1891 censuses in Cardiff, Wales. I have the marriage certificate, Cardiff 11a 371, showing he married Bessie Westacott from Devon on 29 May 1878 in Cardiff. His death shows up in FreeBMD, Cardiff 11a 732, in the 1st quarter of 1897.

The marriage certificate shows his father as Thomas Dalley, deceased. So my problem is to find out more about this Thomas Dalley, not knowing who he married, or when and where he was born and died.  Thomas Dalley is not a rare name! :-( I can't find a good record match for the birth his son Thomas Dallow in the 1854-1856 period in Fownhope.

I'd like to hear from anyone researching this family or who is related to these Thomas Dallows.

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