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Litcham s just north of Gt Dunham.

And I thinks its "stubbing of whins".

I haven't looked at the entries for some time, but there's another note about a man who died of exposure after falling into a river when trying to recover his hat and wig.  There's clearly a good reason to avoid wearing a hat anywhere near water in that area.


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The Common Room / Re: 1939 - what have you found?
« on: Tuesday 23 February 16 06:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have a few ancestors on the 1939 Index with the correct day/month and an incorrect year.

I have several of these.  The best is my grandfather who died just before I was born.  When he was in his sixties he left my grandmother - or was chucked out by her - to live with a woman 25 years his junior: that was in the 1920s and by the time of the register he had "aged" an extra 11 years.

Unfortunately my traction engine driving great uncle Louisa turned out to be a mistranscription of James, not an early example of an alternative lifestyle

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Scotland / Re: Scotch Episcopal Church and the Established Church
« on: Friday 19 February 16 08:06 GMT (UK)  »
As an aside.......

Any "Scotsman" to my knowledge would not use the word "Scotch"....it would be "Scot/Scottish"

Would the particular Clergy have been a "non Scot"?

Annie

I feel I'm putting my (English) head in the Lion Rampant's mouth, but here goes...

In many 19th century Scottish newspapers you will find a column listing "Scotch Bills" at Westminster.  And the word was also used regularly by Walter Scott, Thomas Carlyle and most other Scottish writers.

On a related matter I also saw the speech to the men of the Black Watch by their retiring colonel (also a Scot) around 1860: he told them their actions in India (putting down the "mutineers"!) "made England proud".

Autres temps, autres moeurs


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The Common Room / Re: An oldie's lament
« on: Monday 15 February 16 08:54 GMT (UK)  »
I remember picking up a baptism off of their hints - they'd attached it to the wrong child but it was the right family (the first Chrissie died when she was three and they'd baptised the next female Chrissie) the baptism was for the first Chrissie but suggested as a hint for the second

This is not unique to modern online sites.  One child of my great(x6) grandparents was baptized in 1711, and died two years later. A second son was baptized with the same name 2 years after that: all events recorded in the same parish register.  When the second son died aged 63 his burial record and gravestone record him as 68.

And a Victorian journalist made a similar mistake when recording the death of Pablo Fanque the circus proprietor (as in Sergeant Pepper).  The internet has just increased the chances of perpetuating error, just as it increases the opportunity for disseminating fact.

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How can you have sexual intercourse with someone you see as being little better than an animal?

I hesitate to point this out, in case anyone, anywhere, ever, thinks what I'm about to say is my own opinion, but for many centuries and in many societies men in general considered women in general to be inferior humans. 

As to slavery, I have the impression that those who started the process did not see Africans as inferior in any way except for having inferior weaponry and therefore being exploitable.  Until the institution was under criticism there was no need to use racial stereotyping to "justify" slavery.

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The Common Room / Re: What's a marriage bond?
« on: Wednesday 25 March 15 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
I would expect that they would not have to prove they had the money.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have to prove they had funds.  My g-g-g-grandfather signed a probate bond for £150 in 1810, when he was receiving parish relief.

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The Common Room / Re: Living in sin!
« on: Tuesday 02 September 14 11:42 BST (UK)  »
After my G G grandmother died in 1861 my G G grandfather took in a "housekeeper" and they had 3 children.  Meanwhile the housekeeper's husband was living quite nearby with another woman: they had a large family who were registered under the mother's name, but all the censuses show them as a "proper" married family, with the father's surname.  In 1900 the husband died and his (real) widow married my ancestor within a few weeks.

That's just an extreme case - I have plenty of ancestors who had at least one child before tying the knot, as well as those who were hard put to it to get the parson in before the midwife.  In some parts of the country there used to be a saying "no baby, no marriage".

In general I don't think there was much stigma attached to an established couple making the occasional slip, as long as they regularised things later.  There was a very different opinion of a woman who had a series of babies by unknown fathers - I have one of those as well.

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Stirlingshire / Re: NB Strilingshre - what's it mean?
« on: Saturday 17 May 14 10:06 BST (UK)  »
Has anyone ever come across an example of England being referred to as "South Britain"?  I speak as someone who's English to a deplorable degree - very few ancestors from outside Norfolk in 400 years.

On the other hand my late father-in-law was from Alva.  By the 1901 census Alva was (and still is) in Clackmannanshire.  Until the late 1890s it was a detached part of Stirlingshire.  So not only had your ancestors moved, so had the town.

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Is there any mention of George William Kirton?  He was only briefly at Larbert from March or April 1894 before being transferred to the Insane Ward at Sunderland Union Workhouse in early May.

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