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Kilkenny / Re: "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 18:34 GMT (UK)  »
And Denis', Bridget's, and daughter Mary Ann's birthplace is "Queensbannly, Ireland" according to the 1851 Census in Scotland
For brother Anthony: "Shire Iucensborenty, Ireland"

The shire is actually from the daughter's birthplace listed above:


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Kilkenny / Re: "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, that would be the child of my GG Grandfather Fenton Moore, the one born to Denis and Bridget in Edinburgh.

extra points if you find a Fenton Moore who was a surveyor.

How many points  ;D

West Somerset Free Press, 6 Dec.1884: November 2_th, at Bastover, Bridgwater, William Richard, son of Mr. Fenton Moore, ordnance surveyor, aged _ years.

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Kilkenny / Re: "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 18:24 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, definitely Queens County but it gives them all borth there; including Bridget. Who knows how accurate but helps to ensure I have the right lot.

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Thanks All,
In the 1851 Census in Edinburgh, the family was living with Denis' brother Anthony 20 y and nephew Fenton 20 y.

Ancestry transcribes that Fenton's birthplace as "Lucens County, Ireland". I don't have access to the image of the 1851 census in Scotland.
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Kilkenny / Re: "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
Just found the baptism for Mary Anne. It gives the sponsors names as James Garland and Mary Walsh from the parish of Clonany/Clonanny? have you followed these up to see how they tie in?  Sponsors are very important in RC baptisms.

Yes, I have tried to learn more about these two people but cannot so far. All the sponsors after this seem to be people that worked with Denis on the survey. James Garland might be one of them.
 

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Kilkenny / Re: "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks All,

The reason for the hunch about Bridget being protestant is the surname of Law. They appear to be from Scotland and predominently protestant. Presbyterian would be a good possibillity for a Scotsh/Irish familiy moving from Scotland to Ireland at the turn of the 19th century I would think. I have no idea how to explore Presbyterian records though.

I have all the records from Scotland and also from England when they moved there a decade later. I have a great deal on the family and descendants past their time in Ireland. Not many stones unturned there...it's the "dark ages" in Ireland that cause me grief and keep me from learning about the Law family.

The record for Winifred Moore is definitely on my radar but, as she wasn't with them later in the census and I couldln't find any deaths, I could never confirm Winifred born in Cork was theirs. However, the survey was in Cork during that time so it is not impossible to imagine. That would make Denis' mother's name likely Winifred if that baby was theirs. There is also a bastard  "Magdalen" born to Denis Moore and Bridget "Lay" in Mountrath in 1836 that I cannot rule out as a possible first born.

In the 1851 Census in Edinburgh, the family was living with Denis' brother Anthony 20 y and nephew Fenton 20 y. I've learned a great day about Anthony, another surveyor, and his descendants. Could never confirm which Fenton Moore (several in England where they all moved and assumed he moved too instead of returning to Ireland) was this man in later years. Would be good to know who his father/Denis' brother was.

I feel like I have so many things. There must be a morsel somewhere that would lead me backward to where I need to be if I just looked at it diffierently/correctly.


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Kilkenny / "What Would You Do?" Brickwall advice request
« on: Sunday 06 February 22 06:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All,

I'm taking another turn at a long standing brickwall. Denis Moore of Queens County married Bridget Law likely a just prior to 1839 when they had their first child, Mary Ann Moore, 25 APR 1839 • Instiogue Parish, Kilkenny.

Denis was Catholic. However, I believe, although I cannot prove it, Bridget Law would have been protestant. Denis worked for the Ordnance Survey starting in Queens County and then moving on to work in Kilkenny for a short time.

Bridget would have been from Queens County or Kilkenny I believe. They didn't stay in Kilkenny long, they moved onto Scotland after that with the survey so I have little to go on after the birth of this child.

Just wondering what you all would do if you were working on this? Where would you turn? If I follow Irish naming patterns, Bridget's father would have been named Patrick Law and mother Mary Ann (although I know I cannot bet the farm on that).

I cannot find a marriage record in either county for Bridget and Denis. If she was indeed protestant, I believe they would have married in her parish perhaps...wherever it was? Not sure if this is a true brickwall and I should accept I cannot go further with the Law familiy or if I've left a stone unturned somewhere.

Thanks for any input!  :)

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Old Parish Registers Marriages - Minnigaff
« on: Thursday 04 November 21 02:48 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Neale. Yes, I have the children born in Scotland (and the baby born in England) and his life after Scotland. I just can't find anything from Ireland  :(

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Old Parish Registers Marriages - Minnigaff
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 15:54 GMT (UK)  »
Well, his only census in Scotland is 1851 and then he was off to England. He did have a child born in 1855 and his birthplace is listed as Queens County, Ireland (as is the one on the census of 1851), which is where I believed he was from. However, his Irish birth record isn't coming up. His death record in England gives him an approximate birth year of 1826. The birth certificate of his childi in Scotland in 1855 says he is either 23 or 28 when the child was born (can't make it out for sure).

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Old Parish Registers Marriages - Minnigaff
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 05:22 GMT (UK)  »
Sadly they both died in England so I'm out of luck I'm afaid. He is the one I'm most interested in and he was born in Ireland. Have not been able to find his birth there unfortunately. :(

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