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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: William HIBBERD coal man trowbridge
« on: Tuesday 21 June 11 19:33 BST (UK) »
if you send your email in a personal message, I can then send you copies of the photos
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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: William HIBBERD coal man trowbridge
« on: Monday 20 June 11 22:12 BST (UK) »
Bill's first wife was Edith F Bennett, born 1890, died 1917. Bill and Edith married in 1910.
I have some family photos:
my mum and grandmother in the garden of 44 Frome Road about 1947,
George and Margaret Hibberd sitting on a gate with Aunt Lucy, her daughter Joan and Phylis (daughter of Aunt Sally), dated 1927
and then copies of:
Aunt Annie sitting outside 44 Frome Road about 1920,
Bill, Emily, George and Margaret about 1924,
George sitting with Aunt Tim and her husband Charlie, Aunt Alice and Vera (Aunt Polly's daughter),
George Hibberd holding my mum as a baby,
Mum as a bridesmaid alongwith George's daughter Ann at Margaret Hibberd's wedding,
If you haven't got any of those, I'll scan them and can then email them to you.
Jo
I have some family photos:
my mum and grandmother in the garden of 44 Frome Road about 1947,
George and Margaret Hibberd sitting on a gate with Aunt Lucy, her daughter Joan and Phylis (daughter of Aunt Sally), dated 1927
and then copies of:
Aunt Annie sitting outside 44 Frome Road about 1920,
Bill, Emily, George and Margaret about 1924,
George sitting with Aunt Tim and her husband Charlie, Aunt Alice and Vera (Aunt Polly's daughter),
George Hibberd holding my mum as a baby,
Mum as a bridesmaid alongwith George's daughter Ann at Margaret Hibberd's wedding,
If you haven't got any of those, I'll scan them and can then email them to you.
Jo
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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: William HIBBERD coal man trowbridge
« on: Monday 20 June 11 17:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Sippy,
My mother's Aunt Emily was Bill's second wife. Emily was one of 10 children of George Rose and Sarah Ann. George had left Trowbridge to go to South Wales to work down the mine, hence the children were all born in Mountain Ash. Sarah Ann died giving birth to number 13 (2 had died in infancy) in 1910 and George died in 1917.
We think 3 of Emily's sisters moved from Mountain Ash to Trowbridge around 1915/6: Lucy, Elizabeth (known as Tim) and Alice with brother Charles following about 1916. Lucy married Percy Sutton in Trowbridge 24 Sept 1918.
The story is that George's sister Kate (aunt to Emily) who had married William Bailey knew Bill Hibberd possibly through the Salvation Army. She had a photo of Emily which Bill (sometime after his first wife's death) had remarked upon. Great Aunt Kate thought that Emily would make a good wife for Bill and a good mother for his children, and that this would be a way for Emily to leave Mountain Ash where we think she was working as a children's nurse for a well-off family. The plan worked and Bill married Emily in Mountain Ash 28 Dec 1918. Emily moved into Bill's home at 44 Frome Road Trowbridge just 3 houses away from where Emily's sister Elizabeth (Tim) lived later with her husband Charlie Townsend.
My Mum remembers your father George as a very good looking young man who went to college to be a teacher. She last remembers him living near Cambridge, teaching in one of the Cambridgeshire Village Colleges, married with 2 children, Jane and Ann. My grandmother, Priscilla, was particularly fond of George and Mum remembers travelling from London to Cambridgeshire with her to stay with his family. To Mum you seemed then as the ideal family just like in a storybook.
In the early twenties we're sure that Emily's sister Elizabeth (Tim) lived with them before she married. In 1926 (we think) Emily's brother Idris moved up from Mountain Ash to Trowbridge and lived with Bill and Emily until he married in 1935.
In 1945 Emily died and her sister Annie (who was now widowed) came up from Mountain Ash to look after Bill. My Mum came to stay with Aunt Annie in Bill's house in 1946. She remembers delivering Salvation Army leaflets from one hand for Bill and Communist party leaflets from the other for Uncle Idris! In 1947 Annie bought her house in Cardiff and Mum moved down with her.
If you send me your email by personal message, I'll put you in contact with Mum (Val).
Jo
My mother's Aunt Emily was Bill's second wife. Emily was one of 10 children of George Rose and Sarah Ann. George had left Trowbridge to go to South Wales to work down the mine, hence the children were all born in Mountain Ash. Sarah Ann died giving birth to number 13 (2 had died in infancy) in 1910 and George died in 1917.
We think 3 of Emily's sisters moved from Mountain Ash to Trowbridge around 1915/6: Lucy, Elizabeth (known as Tim) and Alice with brother Charles following about 1916. Lucy married Percy Sutton in Trowbridge 24 Sept 1918.
The story is that George's sister Kate (aunt to Emily) who had married William Bailey knew Bill Hibberd possibly through the Salvation Army. She had a photo of Emily which Bill (sometime after his first wife's death) had remarked upon. Great Aunt Kate thought that Emily would make a good wife for Bill and a good mother for his children, and that this would be a way for Emily to leave Mountain Ash where we think she was working as a children's nurse for a well-off family. The plan worked and Bill married Emily in Mountain Ash 28 Dec 1918. Emily moved into Bill's home at 44 Frome Road Trowbridge just 3 houses away from where Emily's sister Elizabeth (Tim) lived later with her husband Charlie Townsend.
My Mum remembers your father George as a very good looking young man who went to college to be a teacher. She last remembers him living near Cambridge, teaching in one of the Cambridgeshire Village Colleges, married with 2 children, Jane and Ann. My grandmother, Priscilla, was particularly fond of George and Mum remembers travelling from London to Cambridgeshire with her to stay with his family. To Mum you seemed then as the ideal family just like in a storybook.
In the early twenties we're sure that Emily's sister Elizabeth (Tim) lived with them before she married. In 1926 (we think) Emily's brother Idris moved up from Mountain Ash to Trowbridge and lived with Bill and Emily until he married in 1935.
In 1945 Emily died and her sister Annie (who was now widowed) came up from Mountain Ash to look after Bill. My Mum came to stay with Aunt Annie in Bill's house in 1946. She remembers delivering Salvation Army leaflets from one hand for Bill and Communist party leaflets from the other for Uncle Idris! In 1947 Annie bought her house in Cardiff and Mum moved down with her.
If you send me your email by personal message, I'll put you in contact with Mum (Val).
Jo
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Breconshire / Re: Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Tuesday 04 January 11 17:08 GMT (UK) »
Mary was a spinster on the marriage certificate when she marrid Thomas Jones in 1843 so I guess the Mary baptised in 1832 was illegitimate. I do have her in my notes but had forgotten about her and haven't tried to find out what happened. I haven't found Mary (the mother) in 1841 yet bit in 1851 she doesn't have a daughter Mary with her. In 1861 there is a daughter Mary aged 4 so I guess the earlier Mary died.
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Breconshire / Re: Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Monday 03 January 11 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou GS. I've come across Thomas Robert Nicholas a number of times but haven't yet found the link to Benjamin. As you said Trecastle is small and so it is more than likely that the link is there somewhere. I've actually been driven through Trecastle a number of times before I knew my maternal family connection as my paternal grandparents lived near Llandovery. I also went pony treking from school to Trecastle. I shall see if I can find anything else about the Bear Inn.
Thankyou Morgan. I hadn't realised the wills were indexed - a happy few hours to be had looking through and working out any connections.
Jo
Thankyou Morgan. I hadn't realised the wills were indexed - a happy few hours to be had looking through and working out any connections.
Jo
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Breconshire / Re: Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Wednesday 29 December 10 22:00 GMT (UK) »
but then in 1871 there's Thomas and Gwenllian Hemus in Llangattock Crickhowell but both born in Merthyr
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Breconshire / Re: Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Wednesday 29 December 10 21:43 GMT (UK) »
been trying to find that Gwenllian with Thomas or Howell in 1861
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Breconshire / Re: Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Wednesday 29 December 10 20:31 GMT (UK) »
yes - anything that may be a clue to finding Benjamin or Margaret's births or even their marriage (it wasn't found in the Llywel records).
Any clues also to the children I haven't managed to trace: Margaret, Howell, Gwenllian and Elizabeth. I guess the girls may have married. Sometimes following teh children finds clues to other family members.
Jo
Any clues also to the children I haven't managed to trace: Margaret, Howell, Gwenllian and Elizabeth. I guess the girls may have married. Sometimes following teh children finds clues to other family members.
Jo
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Breconshire / Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO Llywel
« on: Wednesday 29 December 10 19:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I'm stuck with my great great great grandparents Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO and would welcome any suggestions.
Benjamin was born about 1791 in Breconshire and died 17 March 1848 at Twynfelynfach Trianmawr near Llywel/Trescastle. He was a miller.
Margaret was born about 1790 in Trecastle and died 23 February 1854 at Trehowell Trainanglaes near Llywel/Trescastle.
They had the following children:
Mary: christened 22 Dec 1811 Llywel, married Thomas Jones 11 Nov 1843 Newport and lived in Risca
Margaret: christened 5 June 1814 Llywel,
Margaret: christened 8 Dec 1815 Llywel, servant at Tal-y-llyn 1841, housemaid at Pwll farm with sister Eliza 1851
Sibbil: christened 9 March 1817 Llywel, died 1836 at Tresgob, buried 15 June 1836 Llywel
Howell: christened 5 April 1818 Llywel, lodging at Blaina 1841, at Risca 1851 with sister, not found after 1854
Gwenllian: christened 18 Aug 1819 Llywel, with parents 1841, at Trecastle 1851 with sister Elizabeth
Elizabeth: christened 12 June 1821 Llywel, died 1823 at Trianmawr, buried 17 May 1823 Llywel
Sarah: christened 12 June 1821 Llywel, died Trianmawr 1822, buried 21 June 1822 Llywel
Elizabeth: christened 30 May 1823 Llywel, died Trianmawr 1823, buried 23 July 1823 Llywel
William: christened 30 May 1823 Llywel, died 1823 Trianmawr buried 20 Nov 1823 Llywel
Elizabeth: christened 15 Sept 1824 Llywel, at Trecastle 1851 with sister Gwenllian
Magdalene: christened 9 Dec 1826 Trecastle Calvinistic, servant in Trecastle 1841, died 16 June 1845 at Twynfelynfach Traianmawr
Sarah: christened 26 July 1829 Trecastle Calvinistic, with parents 1841, died 30 Jan 1848 at Twynfelynfach Traianmawr
Richard: christened 14 Aug 1831 Trecastle Calvinistic, with parents 1841, 1851 in Risca with sister Mary, 1861 and 1871 in Llanwonno, 1881 and 1891 in Aberdare
Eliza: born 1833 Trecastle, with parents 1841, nursemaid 1851 at Pwll farm with sister Margaret, married William Hughes 22 Jan 1861 in Aberdare, 1871 in Worcester, 1881, 1891, 1901 in Mountain Ash.
Thanks for any suggestions or hints.
Jo
I'm stuck with my great great great grandparents Benjamin NICHOLAS and Margaret PROTHERO and would welcome any suggestions.
Benjamin was born about 1791 in Breconshire and died 17 March 1848 at Twynfelynfach Trianmawr near Llywel/Trescastle. He was a miller.
Margaret was born about 1790 in Trecastle and died 23 February 1854 at Trehowell Trainanglaes near Llywel/Trescastle.
They had the following children:
Mary: christened 22 Dec 1811 Llywel, married Thomas Jones 11 Nov 1843 Newport and lived in Risca
Margaret: christened 5 June 1814 Llywel,
Margaret: christened 8 Dec 1815 Llywel, servant at Tal-y-llyn 1841, housemaid at Pwll farm with sister Eliza 1851
Sibbil: christened 9 March 1817 Llywel, died 1836 at Tresgob, buried 15 June 1836 Llywel
Howell: christened 5 April 1818 Llywel, lodging at Blaina 1841, at Risca 1851 with sister, not found after 1854
Gwenllian: christened 18 Aug 1819 Llywel, with parents 1841, at Trecastle 1851 with sister Elizabeth
Elizabeth: christened 12 June 1821 Llywel, died 1823 at Trianmawr, buried 17 May 1823 Llywel
Sarah: christened 12 June 1821 Llywel, died Trianmawr 1822, buried 21 June 1822 Llywel
Elizabeth: christened 30 May 1823 Llywel, died Trianmawr 1823, buried 23 July 1823 Llywel
William: christened 30 May 1823 Llywel, died 1823 Trianmawr buried 20 Nov 1823 Llywel
Elizabeth: christened 15 Sept 1824 Llywel, at Trecastle 1851 with sister Gwenllian
Magdalene: christened 9 Dec 1826 Trecastle Calvinistic, servant in Trecastle 1841, died 16 June 1845 at Twynfelynfach Traianmawr
Sarah: christened 26 July 1829 Trecastle Calvinistic, with parents 1841, died 30 Jan 1848 at Twynfelynfach Traianmawr
Richard: christened 14 Aug 1831 Trecastle Calvinistic, with parents 1841, 1851 in Risca with sister Mary, 1861 and 1871 in Llanwonno, 1881 and 1891 in Aberdare
Eliza: born 1833 Trecastle, with parents 1841, nursemaid 1851 at Pwll farm with sister Margaret, married William Hughes 22 Jan 1861 in Aberdare, 1871 in Worcester, 1881, 1891, 1901 in Mountain Ash.
Thanks for any suggestions or hints.
Jo