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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 11:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jenn,

Brenda wasn't pregnant at the time of the marriage.

It may be a transcription error, but there would need to be multiple errors.  The bride's surname is shown as VERNON.  The bride's father's name is VERNON.  And the bride's signature is VERNON.

I'm beginning to think the names are fictitious  - but why??

Quote from: majm on Tuesday 08 November 11 11:33 GMT (UK)
Have you written to the actual church to see what is recorded in their register?

As yet I haven't written to the church, but will do so.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 11:05 GMT (UK)  »
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Sometimes it is better to use the email option, and in the email say in effect "please pass my enquiry up to the person within your organisation who would have the fullest explanation at their fingertips"

Cheers,  JM
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When I first received the m.c. I wrote to NSW BDM asking for more information relating to the reference numbers.  The person who telephoned me was unable to offer an explanation.

I will try again using the email option.

Quote from: tropicalj on Tuesday 08 November 11 10:22 GMT (UK)
From your initial story  I feel you wanted to knwo why  the missinformation was supplied on  the original marriage certificate??

And subsequently  what happened as to why it was altered to contain  the correct parentage?

Now can I ask  who were the witness on  the certificate?

One would feel  if Brenda was in  the care of Norman's relation would not she know her own fathers name and  the fact  that he did in  the Great War and that her mum did in 1920.????


Did she marry in a registery office or a church?

thanks JEnn


The marriage took place in church, St. Thomas' at Rozelle.  The witnesses to the marriage are not family members.  I have not tried to trace them; the chances of them still being alive is remote, being adults at the time of the marriage they would now be over 100 years of age.

I agree, it seems unrealistic that Brenda would not know the name of her parents.  Especially as the marriage certificates for her siblings do have the correct parents' names recorded without any notation, and one marriage was prior to Brenda's.

Cheers, Jenster


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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 08:22 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Tuesday 08 November 11 07:50 GMT (UK)
May I ask if you sent a general enquiry re the notations to the NSW BDM please?

Cheers,  JM

I did so, but the person I spoke with was unable to explain the reference numbers in the notation.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 07:35 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: tropicalj on Tuesday 08 November 11 01:11 GMT (UK)
Are you able to tell us  the name of  the relative who cared for Brenda and her siblings?

Thanks Jenn

The carer was Florence Lillian KENNEDY

Quote from: ~MERLIN~ on Tuesday 08 November 11 04:53 GMT (UK)
I am curious to know who the N Hanson that wrote to CARO in 1955 from Moonee Ponds, VIC asking for information about the parents?

On the pension allotments of 1917 I can only see three daughters.

How many children did they have? The one that wrote the letter is obviously a son.

You are correct, the letter was written by a son.
They had four children.

Cheers,
Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 07:20 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: majm on Tuesday 08 November 11 06:11 GMT (UK)
I note that in NSW in 1900 a Herbert Kennedy married a Florence Hanson, registered at Newtown #1817

Cheers,  JM

Yes, Herbert Francis KENNEDY married Florence Lillian HANSON in 1900.
Herbert was born in Victoria.  Florence was born in Tasmania.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 04:03 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, this is Brenda's father, Norman Victor HANSON.  He died of wounds received in action in Belgium in 1917.  The AIF service record shows him to be a little bit of a rogue (similar to his civilian life) but I like to think of him as a loveable rogue who always tried to do the best for his family.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Tuesday 08 November 11 03:43 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: tropicalj on Tuesday 08 November 11 03:35 GMT (UK)
I see Brenda's parents married in Qld

reg no 1907/B5672
groom Hanson Norman Victor

bride Wyatt Bona Vera

but no doubt you have all this information  to hand

Jenn

Yes, Brenda's parents married in Qld, then moved to NSW.  I have copies of all the Qld certificates.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate
« on: Monday 07 November 11 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: tropicalj on Monday 07 November 11 20:38 GMT (UK)
May I ask if Brenda was born in NSW?

Yes, Brenda was born in NSW.

@majm - Thank you for the information you provided.  Family history research breeds patience  ;D  Until index number searches become available I will attempt to associate each of the reference numbers with other family members and events.

Cheers, Jenster

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Australia Lookups completed / Mystery of Notation on a NSW Marriage Certificate - COMPLETED
« on: Monday 07 November 11 13:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All,

Someone with a greater knowledge of NSW marriage certificates than myself may be able to offer some insight regarding the information recorded on a marriage certificate I have for a deceased relative.  The mc registration number is 1930 / 012162.

The bride’s name is shown as Brenda Ruby VERNON.
The bride’s parents are listed as Norman Thomas VERNON (deceased) and Alma CLARKE (deceased).
The certificate has a notation, dated 11th July, 1932, as follows
“In column 3 for Brenda Ruby Vernon read Brenda Ruby Hanson
“In column 8 for 18 read 17
“For bride’s parentage in column 9 read Norman Victor Hanson (deceased) and Bona Vera Wyatt (deceased)”
The information in the notation is correct.  Brenda Ruby HANSON is the correct birth name, and the parent’s names are correct (as per Brenda Ruby HANSON birth cert I have). 
Under what circumstances are notations of this nature made to certificates?

Brenda Ruby HANSON was orphaned at the age of 8 and she and her siblings were cared for by a family member related to their father.  I have confirmation that this relative had guardianship of Brenda Ruby until the end of 1928.  The mc shows that consent for the bride was given by Arthur Charles Leitch Bayliss being a Guardian of Minors.

I have no idea how the VERNON family relates to the HANSON family.  I can find no connection or association to a family with the surname of VERNON and I have been unable to locate any records for either Norman Thomas VERNON or Alma CLARKE.

The marriage certificate also has many numbers in the notation column, which look like reference numbers, but I do not know to what they refer.  The numbers are:
31/3648
32/10892
40/48650
41/699
42/16420
46/27791
56/7770
P29409/79

Any help with trying to solve some of this mystery will be greatly appreciated.

Jenster

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