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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Wednesday 07 March 18 09:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: groom on Tuesday 06 March 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
I wonder what happened at the actual service though, would both parents be expected to be there, together with godparents? I wonder if a vicar would question it if just the mother turned up?

This is something that I would love to know too.  I haven't really looked into Thomas Wheeler but its starting to look like he is the father.  Would love something more concrete but as it is with these things we can only go by the information available.

Is there anything else I can do? or look at?  I think I've exhausted my resources.

Thank you for the replies.  Much appreciated

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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 21:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much for your help. I've done just that and asked for the post to be moved.  Thanks again - Michelle

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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 20:59 GMT (UK)  »
Yes it does. Even though I can't find anything on the two of them after this.  Maybe it was her cousin.  I don't think I'll ever solve this mystery.  I wonder if I paid someone to look into it they might be able to uncover something? 

Thank you for looking at it - I really appreciate your time.

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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Would the father have to be there for a baptism? (this would assuming she didn't marry a cousin?)

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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 19:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you yes that sounds like the likely theory.  Would you know if maybe she didn't marry a cousin and had him baptised again (to legitimise him) do the churches do this willingly? or is it all cloak and dagger as such.  Not sure how else to word what I mean. 

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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry that was a typo with the birthdates - it's now been amended.

Thank you re the burial - I will look into that line and see if anything comes up.


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London and Middlesex / Re: TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 11:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you kindly for your prompt reply.  The only thing that is intriguing is that he was named Edward Manley after Hannah Manley and then his father is stated as Manley 4 years later, unless of course she married a cousin maybe? 

I don't think I'll be able to get further back with this part of the tree.  I have tried for many year!

Thank you again.

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London and Middlesex / TWO BAPTISMS FOR THE SAME PERSON 1805 & 1809 - Manley
« on: Tuesday 06 March 18 10:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Can anyone shed any light on these circumstances at all?

Edward Manley born 6th November 1805 in Southwark.

He was baptised on 26th December 1805 at St James, Piccadilly, Westminster, Middlesex.  It says BBS to Hannah Manley and Thomas Wheeler (transcribed Smalley but it is Wheeler) so this says he's illegitimate. 

Then four years later he is baptised again on 17th September 1809 at St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Southwark to Hannah Manley and Edward Manley DOB 6th November 1805.

Can I be sure it is the same person? I think it is. His marriage certificate states Edward Manley as his father.  I can't find anything concrete on Hannah Manley at all.  Can anyone tell me if this is common situation or how I can find out further information? Thank you and sorry for the long post.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Vincent Barber / Charles Barber (Artist) Help
« on: Tuesday 18 July 17 16:07 BST (UK)  »
Hi.

We'll I do like to be able to know who Frances/Fanny Vinent Barber father is. Everything points to Charles barber artist but also to James Barber (goldsmith)  Her second husband Oliver James Gluyas she's put a different middle name for her father Charles Barber - can't transcribe it prosperly.  Occ: Gentleman

The newspaper article points towards a goldsmith.
I suppose I'm looking to tie up the loose ends.

maybe what I need to do is write it down and work out how they are tied together first.

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