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Travelling People / Re: Phoebe HUGHES Born 1868 Chatham, Kent
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 14:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all this information, I will have a good look through.

It was some years ago that I went to the National Archives to retrieve all the information regarding the workhouse records (there was not so much information on-line back then) but it was an enlightening moment when I found her name among the archives and all the additional information - so it was well worth the trip at the time.  :)

Sadly, all my copies and family history research is in boxes in remote storage at the moment, as I put my research on hold, but a recent contact although unrelated to Phoebe has sparked my interest once again!

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Travelling People / Re: Phoebe HUGHES Born 1868 Chatham, Kent
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 11:07 BST (UK)  »
OK, makes sense, I will need some further research into Sarah Ann Hughes then, perhaps she did die a week after childbirth. 

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Travelling People / Re: Phoebe HUGHES Born 1868 Chatham, Kent
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 11:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. Phoebe's only other sister was Lydia born 1877 - so it may be possible that the boy was her's but she would have only been 16/17.

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Travelling People / Re: Phoebe HUGHES Born 1868 Chatham, Kent
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 10:46 BST (UK)  »
No, you make a good point I have not, for some reason I was thinking along the wrong track as she had married. This is where another pair of eyes can be so helpful.  ::)

I cannot find a Sarah Ann Goldsmith dying c1893, but there is a Sarah Ann Hughes aged 33 dying in Dec qrt 1893 (on free BMD) in Ecclesall Bierlow although this is a very long shot if the correct Sarah Ann.


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Travelling People / Phoebe HUGHES Born 1868 Chatham, Kent
« on: Sunday 16 August 20 10:01 BST (UK)  »
I have posted previously about my great grandmother Phoebe Hughes born 1868 in Chatham, Kent, but some considerable time has passed since then, and I am still seeking information about her later life, as I can find no record of her death. Plus I also keen to trace another boy related to her born in around 1893, that Phoebe claimed was her sisters son(?), that she was looking after as her sister had died a week after his birth, but again I can find no evidence of this being the case. I am also seeking more information on her daughter Charlotte Hughes born 1908 at the Dartford workhouse, who later married a Frederick Scales.

Over the years I have found a lot of information regarding Phoebe's life but am keen to complete some of the gaps. This is what I already know;

Phoebe was born in 1868, Chatham, Kent. In 1871 Phoebe and her family were living at 24, South Street, Queensborough, Sheppy, Kent and in 1881 the family were living in a travelling van at Canal Field, Milton in Gravesend, Kent.

Phoebe arrived at Wandsworth Union workhouse, Swaffield Road, off Garratt Lane, Wandsworth, London, on the 7th April 1899, pregnant with her son John (my grandfather) and had with her another young child (name unknown?). It was recorded that she had been living in several boarding houses; McKies Lodging House, Surrey Lane, Battersea for about a month, White's Lodging House, Rope Yard Rails, Woolwich for a week or two, and then Burkes Lodging House off and on for about 6 months prior to her arrival at the workhouse. Phoebe stated that her parents were gypsies and had lived in caravans, never having a fixed home that she can remember.

Six years earlier Phoebe had given birth to a child (male) in an area which she described as Hastings Heath, the boy sadly died at the age of three weeks. Researching Hastings Heath it is thought that Phoebe must have been making her way to the Hastings workhouse which was located on Frederick Road in Ore. There is what could be described as heath land on the East Hill, usually referred to as Firehills, to the east of Hastings Old Town, going towards Fairlight. After this she ran away from home to be with her eldest sister Sarah Ann (b.1860). From the workhouse records it was understood that her sister had given birth to a child five years earlier but she had died a week after the child was born, this child (believed to be male, name currently unknown) had arrived with Phoebe at the workhouse. Although through further research Phoebe's eldest sister Sarah Ann went on to marry Aaron Goldsmith in Canterbury in 1879, so could not have possibly died after child birth in around 1893, therefore the mother of this unknown child still remains a mystery.

On the 6th May 1899 Phoebe gave birth to her son John Hughes Davis (my grandfather) at the workhouse in Wandsworth and he was baptised on the 18th May 1899. On John's birth certificate Phoebe stated that she was a flower hawker and gave her address as 11, Point Pleasant, Wandsworth, London. Phoebe left the workhouse on the 20th May 1899, and I unable to confirm from the records whether she left with her new son and her sister's (?) young child.

In the 1901 census Phoebe is recorded as Phoebe Davis living with her son, John, and his father John Davis. I have been unable to find any evidence that Phoebe and John Davis ever married, and Phoebe used both the surnames Hughes and Davis throughout her life depending on what was being recorded.

On the 28th February 1908, Phoebe gave birth to her daughter Charlotte Hughes in the Dartford workhouse, at 37 West Hill, Dartford, Kent. On Charlotte’s birth certificate Phoebe gave her address as The Old Gaol, Lowfield Street, Dartford and her occupation was a Flower Hawker.

The 1911 census found Phoebe and her daughter Charlotte living as lodgers at 27 West Street, Gravesend, Kent. Phoebe's occupation was stated as a charwoman.

Phoebes parents were Samuel Hughes (born 17th January 1827) and Diana Hughes, I have some information on them and the census returns - but no earlier information e.g. their parents. 

If anyone is able to shed some more light on the life/death of Phoebe Hughes or are linked to this family in some way, it would be lovely to hear from you.  :)



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Wiltshire / Re: BATT's of Collingbourne Ducis
« on: Wednesday 01 February 12 18:42 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for this information Pensive. I will certainly have a look :)

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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Unable to find birth - Michael James Davis
« on: Saturday 14 January 12 16:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Mick, on his record I was struggling to decipher the writing showing the name of the ship he last sailed on, which now you confirm was the Laurentic. I knew about the HMS President being shore based and not in fact a ship.

Like you say we can only presume that it was the trauma of this, and perhaps other events, that contributed to him being invalided out and his later death.

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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Unable to find birth - Michael James Davis
« on: Saturday 14 January 12 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Mick,

Yes, I know where and when he died, he is also on the memorial in Brookwood cemetery.  I have his military records which show where he was during his entire naval career. The only thing I'm struggling on is finding exactly what happened, family belief is that he was on a ship that was torpedoed, survived, but never recovered from the trauma, but this just does not add up. He later died of paraylsis, in Hanwell Hospital. 

Tracey

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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Unable to find birth - Michael James Davis
« on: Friday 13 January 12 23:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All,

Thanks Jan, it could well be a possibility, he was known as Jimmy.

The exact birth date and place came from his military records, and also year and place on census returns but his name was always stated as Michael James.

His parents were definitely John and Alice Davis (nee Hayes) although they never married.

Thanks for all you help  :)

 

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