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Canada Lookup Request / Re: John Baird - 1811 - New Brunswick
« on: Thursday 09 February 06 01:04 GMT (UK)  »
It may help, I went through the site and found the "Betsy" but there also a Betsy running the eastern Seaboard of the US and it was quarter the size.  The only prob is "Ships and Seafarers of Atlantic Canada" is CD and those crazy Newfs want $50 + tax but it does contain data on the vessels, captains and crews of Great Britain and Atlantic Canada.  It could be worth it, if someone wanted to do research and help out other people.  Me, I'm in the military and haven't the time that should be dedicated to the subject.

Glenn

29
Canada Resources / Maps
« on: Thursday 09 February 06 00:29 GMT (UK)  »
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/

Was able to tracked a few people after landing in Canada.
Excellent 1880 maps of land owners.

Glenn

30
Canada Resources / Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census
« on: Wednesday 08 February 06 23:26 GMT (UK)  »
Recently some potentially helpful information has been removed from various boards with the statement that the information was in violation of copyright laws.  I contacted the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada last evening because the gc.ca web site was a little vague.  There response is as follows:  (Anyone wishing an attached copy of the org email, I can send it directly to them.)

From:  Copyright /droit_d'auteur [copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca]
To:  'Glenn'
CC:  Copyright /droit_d'auteur
Subject:  Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census



Dear Mr. Baird,

 Your enquiry for the copyright status of Census Canada data available from our website has been received by the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada.

Census up to and including 1911, which are posted on our website are now in the public domain, which means that the copyright protection has expired.  Additionally, there are no other restrictions applicable to this material, therefore it may be used freely without seeking permission or paying royalties.  We would ask that you kindly acknowledge the source as follows:

Source: Library and Archives Canada's website (www.collectionscanada.ca)

As indicated on the website (for example, 1911 Census), the following does indicate that it is now permissible to purchase copies of this material:

It is possible for libraries, organizations and individuals to purchase or borrow microfilm copies of the Census of Canada, 1911. The reels are 35 mm.

Please note that you will find more information on obtaining copies from Library and Archives Canada as well as our price lists on our website at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/services/005-210-e.html#d.

Please do not hesitate to contact the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada if you have any questions regarding this request.

Sincerely,

Thank you,
Carole Cloutier
Senior Licensing and Copyright Specialist
Copyright Bureau / Services Branch

Library and Archives Canada
Tel.: (613) 992-2567 / Fax: (613) 996-1341
Email:  copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca
Web site: www.collectionscanada.ca

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From: Glenn [mailto:gbaird5@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:43 PM
To: copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census

 

Sir;

     I  am inquiring to the digital reproduction and / or transcribing of the released Canadian Census for the purpose of free access in the study of genealogy.

    Do these documents (the census record) that have been posted on the "Library and Archive Canada" web site fall under copyright law of Canada and what is our government policies on this subject?

    I could not find any copyright marks or statements when searching the Databases.
    The only information I have been able to find is the policies I could find is:

 (partial statement)

"For all material reproduced from our website, we ask that you respect the conditions listed below. These conditions apply to material that you have obtained written permission to reproduce from Library and Archives Canada and/or any unrestricted public domain material, which can be reproduced without permission. You may reproduce material from the Library and Archives Canada website provided that:
 
 Library and Archives Canada is identified as the source;
  You exercise due diligence in ensuring the accuracy of the material reproduced;
  You do not manipulate and/or modify the material reproduced; and
  The reproduction is not represented as an official version of the material reproduced or as having been made in affiliation with, or with the endorsement of, Library and Archives Canada."
 
Thank you for you time and am looking forward to your reply.

Glenn Baird

31
Census and Resource Discussion / Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census
« on: Wednesday 08 February 06 23:00 GMT (UK)  »
Recently some potentially helpful information has been removed from various boards with the statement that the information was in violation of copyright laws.  I contacted the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada last evening because the gc.ca web site was a little vague.  There response is as follows:

From:  Copyright /droit_d'auteur [copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca]
To:  'Glenn'
CC:  Copyright /droit_d'auteur
Subject:  Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census



Dear Mr. Baird,

 Your enquiry for the copyright status of Census Canada data available from our website has been received by the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada.

Census up to and including 1911, which are posted on our website are now in the public domain, which means that the copyright protection has expired.  Additionally, there are no other restrictions applicable to this material, therefore it may be used freely without seeking permission or paying royalties.  We would ask that you kindly acknowledge the source as follows:

Source: Library and Archives Canada's website (www.collectionscanada.ca)

As indicated on the website (for example, 1911 Census), the following does indicate that it is now permissible to purchase copies of this material:

It is possible for libraries, organizations and individuals to purchase or borrow microfilm copies of the Census of Canada, 1911. The reels are 35 mm.

Please note that you will find more information on obtaining copies from Library and Archives Canada as well as our price lists on our website at http://www.collectionscanada.ca/services/005-210-e.html#d.

Please do not hesitate to contact the Copyright Bureau of Library and Archives Canada if you have any questions regarding this request.

Sincerely,

Thank you,
Carole Cloutier
Senior Licensing and Copyright Specialist
Copyright Bureau / Services Branch

Library and Archives Canada
Tel.: (613) 992-2567 / Fax: (613) 996-1341
Email:  copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca
Web site: www.collectionscanada.ca

~~~~~~~~

From: Glenn [mailto:gbaird5@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:43 PM
To: copyright/droit_d'auteur@lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Reproduction and / or Transcribing Canadian Census

 

Sir;

     I  am inquiring to the digital reproduction and / or transcribing of the released Canadian Census for the purpose of free access in the study of genealogy.

    Do these documents (the census record) that have been posted on the "Library and Archive Canada" web site fall under copyright law of Canada and what is our government policies on this subject?

    I could not find any copyright marks or statements when searching the Databases.
    The only information I have been able to find is the policies I could find is:

 (partial statement)

"For all material reproduced from our website, we ask that you respect the conditions listed below. These conditions apply to material that you have obtained written permission to reproduce from Library and Archives Canada and/or any unrestricted public domain material, which can be reproduced without permission. You may reproduce material from the Library and Archives Canada website provided that:
 
 Library and Archives Canada is identified as the source;
  You exercise due diligence in ensuring the accuracy of the material reproduced;
  You do not manipulate and/or modify the material reproduced; and
  The reproduction is not represented as an official version of the material reproduced or as having been made in affiliation with, or with the endorsement of, Library and Archives Canada."
 
Thank you for you time and am looking forward to your reply.

Glenn Baird

32
Family History Beginners Board / Bairds - England to Canada
« on: Tuesday 07 February 06 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for a little help getting my branch of the Baird family from New Brunswick Canada back to what I believe to be England.

The information I can varify is:

John Baird married Mary prior to 08 Feb 1811.
and sailed to Canada that same month.

They supposably had a child aboard ship:

William Barnes Baird b. 09 Feb 1811
He married Sarah Ann Lackie
They, in turn had 10 children:
John Samuel
William Henry
Robert Wesley
Mary Matilda
George C.
Isabel
Issac Lackie
Ann Jane
Victoria Regina
James Albert

The 1881 census shows William and Sarah Ann as being Beard's
Also listed, William Henry married Annie, shown as Beard
Annie E. is Annie Elizabeth Tabor
Birth records of two of her children prove this.

Here are the assuptions:

John Baird was a Captain (determined back in the late '90s??)

Two days ago I found this:
A marriage of John Baird to Mary Barnes on 09 Jan 1811 in St. Marys, Carlisle, Cumberland, England
There were a couple of Bairds in Carlisle and also several Barnes in 1811. (no record of a John)

A couple of miles away in Maryport, the ship "Betsy" was master by a "J. Baird"
There are too many flags poping up.
The middle name of children are usually the last name of the mother.
Dead ends of this John Baird in England.
Confirmed surnames in the area.
All this leads me to beleave that John was a bad boy and had to get out of "Dodge", taking his new wife with him.

I've check every possable site I can think of in Canada to no avail.
My only hope is England, but have a very hard time finding info.

The Question:

Is there a way I can track the ship Betsy as to her captains?
Can anyone check the marriage docs in Carlisle for me sinces I live in Canada?
And is there any (real long shot) log book showing them boarding a ship for a sea port that could have had a sailed for Canada?

Glenn Baird
"All things being equal,
the simplest answer is
usually the correct one"

Occam's Razor

33
Canada Lookup Request / Re: Maryport Passanger List - Baird - 1811
« on: Tuesday 07 February 06 04:07 GMT (UK)  »
Your second post is close but a different line.

Your last post is my Great Uncle.
Jones H. is actually Jones R.
He was my Grandfather d. 1988 in Norton NB
His daughter (Aunt Vina) helped with allot of the NB family.

Alberta was a Gray, my Great Grandmother.
Her Great nephew on the Gray side, Stan is working on the Gray line.

Glenn

34
Canada Lookup Request / Re: Maryport Passanger List - Baird - 1811
« on: Tuesday 07 February 06 03:44 GMT (UK)  »
YES YES
He is the eldest son of William Barnes
S =  "Samuel"
He married Annie Elizabeh Tabor
The '81 census is messed up. They show "Beard"
The '01 is dead on
Prov birth records show Annie as Annie E. and Annie Elizabeth for 2 of her children.
The other 3, I can't find yet.

Glenn

35
Canada Lookup Request / Re: Maryport Passanger List - Baird - 1811
« on: Tuesday 07 February 06 01:06 GMT (UK)  »
J.J.

You haven't been rude, I've been off and on since May.

The child's name was William Barnes Baird.  We have no idea were his father came from.
We found Williams grave marker:

KI2M-003 = UPHAM PARISH - Upham St Peter's Anglican Cemetery
Located in churchyard in village of Upham. Compiled by Ernest Friars, 1980.
BAIRD:
04: Ann J. d. Sep 1870 ae 15 yrs 7 mos
Isabella d. Mar 1861 ae 11 yrs 7 mos
Infant daughter d. Jun 1866
Children of William & S. A. [....]
{sunk in ground - probably Baird}
05: William Baird d. Jun 1897 ae 86 yrs
wife, Sarah Ann d. Jan 1907 ae 90 yrs
06: Ella Annette Baird 1901 - 1971 {nee Fletcher}
Erected by daughter and son-in-law
Marian & Frank Allaby and family
59: E. Annette - see FLETCHER

I found Sarah Ann's death record in the NB government archive.
I've attached a pdf file of all the info I was able to collect on William's children.
As you can see I have very little to go on and my hunch is all I have.

I posted the original message on the Cunberland board.  Audery who lives in the area has some books on ships from Maryport and is willing to dig through them to see what she can find.  I'm not sure were the parish records are held.  If they are in the local area maybe I can get her to do a little snooping around for me.

36
Canada Lookup Request / Re: Maryport Passanger List - Baird - 1811
« on: Monday 06 February 06 22:31 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry for the confusion,
John Baird was a Captain of a ship prior to emigrating to Canada. (passed on through the family)
I believe he became a farmer in or around Upham NB.
The only ship I could find was the Betsy out of Maryport who's master was a J. Baird.
His son's marriage records don't exist anymore so there is very little to go on.
In Carlisle there was a marriage of a John Baird to Mary Barnes.
If I can track their movements, i.e. was Mary 8 mo pregnant, was there a musket to a head, were they run out of town?  If they were run out, the easiest way would have been a ship from one of the small nearby ports to a major one and then to Canada.
If I can find out anything on this J Baird or John and Mary, it may give some more clues to act on.

Glenn

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