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Kent / William and Martha Langley
« on: Sunday 04 July 21 21:12 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find the deaths/burial of the following

William Langley born abt 1744 in Gillingham
and Martha his wife born abt 1756 (maiden name Elmore) in Chatham
They married and had all their children baptized at St Mary's the Virgin in Chatham, but can't seem to find anything after the birth of their last child Edward Langley in 1785.

Thank you in advance.

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Midlothian / Re: Peter McCallum and Harriet Pearson Gilchrist
« on: Friday 11 June 21 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Thank you

Yes that is them in the 1841 census. I have that information as well as Henry and James in 1851 in St Cuthberts workhouse.

William Gilchrist McCallum born approx 1843 is my direct ancestor (no baptism found) but I have all other records pertaining to him which concur that he is the son of Peter McCallum and Harriet Pearson Gilchrist.

I know James McCallum born about 1845 and died 1846 is the son of Peter as I have the death OPR and address given for father Peter McCallum a Tailor is 3 South Fort Street on the OPR - which is the same address as in the 1841 census. There is a possibility that Tailor is a Sailor, but looking at all other T's on the page it definitely looks like a T = tailor. As I did wonder if he maybe switched careers being encouraged by Harriets father a Navy Pensioner.

I am completely stuck with Peter. I do still think he likely died between 1841 and 1851 as did Harriet, but obviously with no records found I can confirm this, they are nowhere to be found after 1841.

I am desperately trying to find clues to trace Peters line as it is he I am stuck on. I've looked at other McCallum families in the area as well as wills that could be possibly family in the hope it might mention him but no luck tying him in. Going by the 1841 census he was not born in the County.

I keep hoping I may get some closer McCallum dna matches which may give a clue.

My dna matches at the moment have strong ties to a McCallum family from Argyllshire, but I can't fill in the missing links between him and them so can't confirm this. Ive looked at baptisms of Peter McCallum on or around 1817 but again I can't find a connection.

The use of names Henry James Lawrence for first son is definitely interesting and I can't seem to tie these names into Harriets side or a possible McCallum family.


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Midlothian / Re: Peter McCallum and Harriet Pearson Gilchrist
« on: Thursday 10 June 21 23:53 BST (UK)  »
Still stuck on this family.

I do have some new information.

Harriet's father William died in 1843 in Midlothian, registered in St Cuthberts.

Also found a death of a child James McCallum in 1846 (born 1845 although can't find a baptism for him or other son William Gilchrist McCallum). Peter's occupation has changed from a shoemaker to a Tailor at this point.

Still no luck finding Peter or Harriets death in the hope of tracing back on Peter's line. I have been stuck on him for years. Although I do believe he connects to McCallum in Argyllshire going by my dna matches, but no matches close enough to confirm 100%.

The Harriet McCallum in Dumbarton is not my Harriet. I do think she probably died somewhere between 1841-1851 as did Peter, but as I can't find any deaths I can't confirm. Especially because their children William Gilchrist McCallum and Henry James Lawrence McCallum are in St Cuthberts workhouse in 1851.

Christian - Harriets mother I believe is in East Lothian in 1851 under her maiden name Renton. Not sure why she'd revert to maiden name, but everything ties in - she is a Annuitant-navy (which ties in with her husband William who died in 1843), but this could be a wild herring and is possibly not her.

Any suggestions on trying to crack Peter would be appreciated. I have looked at baptism for around when he was born but cant seem to tie any of these in.

Also where did the name of their first born come from? You would speculate than Henry James Lawrence is from Peter's side, seeing as the second son was name from Harriet's side, but again could be barking up the wrong tree there. Nothing fits in from those names anyway.

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Roxburghshire / Re: Mary Geraldine Douglass
« on: Monday 14 September 20 22:13 BST (UK)  »
Just coming back to this thread, still working on James Douglas who is a Baker in the 1841 census. I am pretty sure he is the father of my Janet Douglas who married William Rutherford as he is a witness for her marriage.

I have found a will for a James Douglas who died in 1848 as a grocer, this could be James the baker, but only relative that appears to be mentioned is a George Douglas. It's hard to read.

So not sure if the death in 1848 is definitely him or a different James. I know my Janet ended up in Edinburgh and then Sunderland.

There is a possible marriage that could be James to Elizabeth Glasgow in 1787 in Kelso. But hard to know if it's definitley him. I can only find a set of twins baptism to them in 1803 in Stichill and Hume

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry removing matches less than 8cM
« on: Wednesday 09 September 20 18:23 BST (UK)  »
I've just been looking at all the dna tests for family members I manage and each test has at least 10 confirm common ancestors below 8cm. It still makes absolutely not sense why Ancestry are removing them. Their reasons are not justified at all.

I've tagged all the ones below 8cm into groups for the tests that are important to me, but it's rather annoying that any new ones once they make the change will never appear.

Well done Ancestry - well done (Not!!)


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Renfrewshire / Re: Peter McCallum - Merchant in Greenock
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 03:21 BST (UK)  »
Something to process too.

So someone who descends from my Peter has also done a dna test.

We both share a dna match with someone who descends from Dugald McCallum who I believe was born about 1790 (he is in ardchattan) and Janet McIlriach born about 1796, so my Peter has to connect to Dugalds branch (although not his son I don’t think, I definitely don’t see a son Peter born to then anyway,  It will be from either a sibling of Duglald or another generation back and then down, I think.

I think my head might explode lol.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Peter McCallum - Merchant in Greenock
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 03:13 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: loobylooayr on Saturday 22 August 20 00:12 BST (UK)
Quote from: CelticMom on Friday 21 August 20 17:43 BST (UK)


Unfortunately there are lots of Gilchrist’s in Falkirk too, so it could have been from Harriets side why they were there.

Shame no address is given on Henry’s baptism that may have helped.

Ahh - you could be right about the Falkirk connection being to Harriet.

The 1841 Census has a Henry Gilchrist aged 25  - a cabinet maker journeyman born in  England living with the Boyne family at Vicar Lane in Falkirk.
I believe this young man is on the 1851 Census in the Outer High Parish in Glasgow.
He is lodging with an old sailor William Graham and his wife at 3 Tarbet Street.
Henry Gilchrist   aged 34  married     Cabinet Maker    born Devon, Stonehouse
Elizabeth Gilchrist  aged 38    wife                              born Leith

This man has to be Harriet's brother? Surely? A English born Gilchrist in Falkirk around the time Harriet gives birth there, with the same first name as the baby, who marries a woman from Leith.

There is a marriage in South Leith on 3rd July 1846 between Henry Gilchrist and Elisabeth Syme.

Looby :)

Well done, that is Indeed her brother I think,  he was born in Plymouth when his father was there with the navy.  Their older siblings were born in Leith. Possibly why they were in Falkirk, Although I’d expect more than it being just her younger brother there, to actually baptise your son there, I’d expect her to take him back to Leith and baptise in Leith?

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Renfrewshire / Re: Peter McCallum - Merchant in Greenock
« on: Friday 21 August 20 17:43 BST (UK)  »
He used the name James twice too, with one of Henry’s middle names James and then the young James who died just 1 year old that I found yesterday. Possible a clue James is in his family as it doesn’t appear to be from Harriets side.

Interestingly there is a James MCallam in Falkirk in 1841 born about 1816 and born in Stirlingshire, could this be his brother? Actually there are a few McCallums (and variations) born around that time that I can’t locate baptism for, as well as a Margaret MCallam who is a widow born 1776, she is from out of Stirlingshire.

I can’t locate James after 1841, to see if there are any other clues.

Unfortunately there are lots of Gilchrist’s in Falkirk too, so it could have been from Harriets side why they were there.

Shame no address is given on Henry’s baptism that may have helped.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Peter McCallum - Merchant in Greenock
« on: Friday 21 August 20 16:39 BST (UK)  »
He is definitely proving to be a hard ancestor to trace, Ive looked at all the possible Peters born at the right time and check my dna matches against mothers maiden name, but nothing definitely standing out and some of the maiden names are too common to be sure, then of course there is the possibility that his baptism is not even on there in which case it’s really going to be hard to crack.

I am hoping someone close might do a dna test at some point and I can break this brick wall. It looks from my dna matches that he descends from an Inveraray branch of McCallums, but I can’t fill in the blanks up to them.

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