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Lancashire / Re: Thomas Forshaw married Elizabeth Thomson Liverpool 1858
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 20:56 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I need to be corrected! Seeing that Thomas has no many Crosby connections, I assumed that St. Luke must have referred to the Crosby one when I first saw the name, but obviously later research has proved th at its the Liverpool one, not the Crosby one...

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Benjamin Bray of Holmfirth (1840-1895?)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 20:54 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that, but the genealogy budget doesn't stretch to certificates these days!

Ben's Dad was John Bray, a butcher. William Turner was his stepfather.

Odd there's no marriage listed. Are Holmfirth marriages of this era accessible on Ancestry?

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Ann Bray of Holmfirth (b. 1831)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 20:52 BST (UK)  »
Deaths Jun 1904   (>99%)
LUNN    Ann    72    Huddersfield    9a   184

And that is almost certainly her demise. Quite an impressive innings.

Now to see if I can trace her descendants! As I've stated elsewhere, I'm hoping against hope to try to turn up a photograph of one of this line. I was hopeful that, with Holmfirth being such an early capital of photography that it is, that I might be in with a fighting chance of something surviving if the Brays I'm searching for made it to the late 1890s, and Ann certainly does.

Thanks so much for tracking down her marriage and remarriage!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Ann Bray of Holmfirth (b. 1831)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 17:40 BST (UK)  »
This is amazing. Thank you so much! Yes, that is the right Ann. Daughter of John the butcher. Will read all this more thoroughly in a bit and give some actual thoughts!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Ann Bray of Holmfirth (b. 1831)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 10:13 BST (UK)  »
Ann Bray lived with her brothers in Cuttell Mill in the 1851 census at the age of 19, although she was of no occupation at that time. She possibly married in the Summer of 1851. If she married then, then her husband would have either been Jonas Booth, Ben Kaye, John Littlewood, or Elliot Smith. If, however, she married in late 1853, her husband would have been either Joseph Hinchliffe or Frank Whitehead. Certainly, no ‘Ann Bray’ was found in the 1861 census suggesting that she had married.

As such I've not been able to trace Ann any further. Any help hugely appreciated!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Benjamin Bray of Holmfirth (1840-1895?)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 10:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

  I've written the following on the above character and thought it might be useful for anyone doing research on this line. No specific questions, although any thoughts on how to cover more ground or avenues for attempting to source a photograph of the person in question (my key aim with this project) would be gratefully appreciated.

  Benjamin was the younger sibling of my Great Great Grandfather William Bray, who had been born in 1821.

By the time that Benjamin Bray was ten in 1851, he was living with his siblings down the road from his mother and stepfather, William and Rachel Turner. He was working in the mill as a billy piercer. He moved back in with his mother and stepfather by the time he was in his early 20s and is shown at their home in 1861 when he is still at the mill, now working as a Wool Slubber.
Benjamin doesn’t appear to be on the 1871 census, but he does seem to appear in 1881. The Benjamin in question is listed as being born in 1841 in Wooldale, which seems a good bet. He is living at Waterside in Newsome, Almonbury and he is a mason’s labourer. His wife, Jane, six years his junior, is from Almonbury and is working as a woollen burler. Their daughter, Laura A (born South Crosland). is 16 and a worsted piecer and their son, James aged 5 (born Lockwood) is a scholar.
In 1891, a Ben Bray is listed as living as a lodger at Norridge Bottom and working as a stone mason. He listed as married, but is clearly alone. A James Bray, aged 17 born ‘not known’ is boarding at Nab Lane, Cartworth and working as a farm labourer. A Jane Bray aged 39 dies in the area in early 1891.
A Ben Bray died in the Spring of 1895 aged 55.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Samuel Bray of Holmfirth (1835-c1898?)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 10:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

  I've written the following on the above character and thought it might be useful for anyone doing research on this line. No specific questions, although any thoughts on how to cover more ground or avenues for attempting to source a photograph of the person in question (my key aim with this project) would be gratefully appreciated.

  Samuel was the younger sibling of my Great Great Grandfather William Bray, who had been born in 1821.

Like his siblings, Samuel Bray spent the first years of his life living with his mother and father in Wooldale and then, following his father’s death and his mother’s remarrying, he moved to his mother and stepfather’s address at Cuttell Mill in Wooldale and followed them on to Attorney’s Lump by the time of the 1861 census.  By this time, Samuel was 26 years old and was working as a railway labourer. In October 1868 at Huddersfield Registry office, when he was 33 years old, he married Ann Charlesworth, a 28 year old girl from Hepworth, now living at Edgerton. She was the daughter of George Charlesworth, a coal pit steward.
They had a son, George, early the next year at their home in Underbank. They remained here and the 1871 census shows Samuel, now ‘Sam’ working as a stonemason. The census also shows the family of three as living next door to Sam’s elder brother Joseph. By 1881, the family of three were at Underbank House and Sam, now 46, was noted as being a contractor. His son George was still a scholar at 12. The family remained at Underbank but headed back towards Attorney’s Lump, Bank End and Sam was shown there as a Mason Contractor in 1881, with George, now 22, as a Mason. Another addition to the family home was eight year old Albert Bray, Sam’s Huddersfield born nephew.
Sam appears to have died in late 1898, aged 62. George can be found in Huddersfield in 1911.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Thomas Bray from Holmfirth (1829-1899)
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

  I've written the following on the above character and thought it might be useful for anyone doing research on this line. No specific questions, although any thoughts on how to cover more ground or avenues for attempting to source a photograph of the person in question (my key aim with this project) would be gratefully appreciated.

  Thomas was the younger sibling of my Great Great Grandfather William Bray, who had been born in 1821.

Thomas Bray was a woollen piecer at the Mill from at least the age of 12 (according to the 1841 census). By the age of 22, he was working as a woollen slubber and lived with his elder brother Richard and younger siblings Ann, Benjamin and James just down the road from his mother and stepfather by Cuttell Mill in Wooldale.
He married Hannah, two years his junior, and had his first child, Richard, with her in 1850. Emma followed in 1854. The family moved to Saddleworth shortly after this, and had their third child, Charles there in 1859. The family stayed in Saddleworth and moved to Wallhill Clough where they can be found in the 1861 census along with Betty Booth, a 20 year old servant from Holmfirth who was visiting them on the night in question.
The family had three more additions in the 1860s, with Sarah Ann arriving in 1863, Ernest in 1867 and John Thomas in 1870, by which time Hannah was 39 years old. By the time of the 1871 census, Thomas, now 42, is working as a gardener and the family are living in Tamewater, Saddleworth. Daughter Emma, now 17, is a hatter, and Charles, now 13, is a felter for a hat makers.
Thomas continued working as a gardener and the family remained in Tamewater where, in 1879, when Hannah was 48 years old, they had another child, Lillie.
Two years later, the census captures the family still in Tamewater. Emma, now 27, was still living at home and working as a weaver, whilst Sarah Ann, now 17, was working in the cotton mill, alongside the 13 year old Ernest, who was a woollen piecer. John Thomas, 10 is still at school and Lillie 2, is still at home.
Remaining at Tamewater, Thomas remained employ as a gardener and Emma, Ernest, John and Lilly remained in the family home right through ‘til 1891. By this time, Emma was 37 and unemployed, but Ernest, now 23, was working as an iron fitter. John Thomas, 21, was a domestic servant (groom) and young Lillie was 12 and still at school.
Seven years later, Hannah died in the Spring of 1898, aged 67. Thomas died late the following year aged 71.
Of the couple’s children, Ernest could be found in New Street, Uppermill in 1901. He was 33 and working as a railway plate layer. He lived with his wife, Eliza A, 32, and children Alice, 9, Tom, 8, and Robert P, 1.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Richard Bray from Holmfirth (1827-1895
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 10:09 BST (UK)  »
Ebenezer also left home around this time and took up lodgings on 106 Taylor Street in Gorton, Manchester. He worked as a signalman and lived with Thomas and Mary Cook from Leicestershire and Lincolnshire. Ebenezer married the Hereford born Elizabeth Rothero who had been working as a domestic servant in Liverpool, at Longsight in 1882. They had a son Richard at Longsight in 1884 and then moved to Thorncliffe in Kent where Lillian Alice was born in 1885, before moving on to Ipswich by 1889 when Ebenezer Rothero was born, followed by Elizabeth Hester in late 1890. By Spring 1891 they were back in Manchester, at 42 Robert Street, Newton Heath. Ebenezer was a labourer at the dye works.
Ten years later, the family had moved to 216 Eastham Street, Brightside Bierlow in Sheffield and Ebenezer, now 44, was an armour plate planner. His eldest son Richard was working at the steel works and they had lodgers in the form of the Brumpton family. Elizabeth Bray nee Rorhero died in Sheffield in Spring 1929 aged 69 and Ebenezer followed her in Spring 1931, aged 73.
In 1881 Richard and Mary Thorpe were still at the same address, but only four children remained there. It is not known where Alice was. Rachel, now 21, was listed as the housekeeper, whilst her mother had no occupation listed, possibly suggesting an infirmity. Sam, 19, was a cotton spinner, as was the 15 year old Ben. Mary, 11, was a  cotton weaver.
Rachel left home in late 1884 and married the labourer Thomas Turner at Glossop. They moved to Tintwistle and lived there at 89 Woodhead Road with their children John (1885), Henry (1888) and Mary Ellen (1890). More children, Annie (1896), Emily (1898) and Thomas (1900) also arrived and the family had moved to 3 Stocks by 1901 and by this time, John and Henry were working in the cotton mills.
Samuel also left home in the late 1880s and married Eliza Higginbottom from Millbrook, Cheshire.
Five years later, in early 1886, Mary died. She was aged 60, although the death certificate stated 56. Following her death, Richard moved down the road to No. 10 Browcroft where his son Sam and his new Cheshire wife, Eliza were living. They had a son, Joseph in 1890. Richard continued working as a stone mason until at least four years before his death in late 1895. He was 68 years old.

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