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Cheshire / Re: John Shaw Torrington b. 1825 Manchester Cathedral
« on: Friday 26 February 16 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Wow, thanks for the details, heywood! Now, can William, wife #2 or sister Esther be found in the 1841?
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Cheshire / John Shaw Torrington b. 1825 Manchester Cathedral
« on: Friday 26 February 16 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
Trying to find an address where the family of John Shaw Torrington might have lived at some point. He enlisted in the Navy before the 1841 census I think, but had been baptised at Manchester Cathedral in December 1825. Haven't found his parents in the 1841 census, but am keen to know if any address can be located for John Shaw himself, or any of his siblings.
Huge thanks!
Trying to find an address where the family of John Shaw Torrington might have lived at some point. He enlisted in the Navy before the 1841 census I think, but had been baptised at Manchester Cathedral in December 1825. Haven't found his parents in the 1841 census, but am keen to know if any address can be located for John Shaw himself, or any of his siblings.
Huge thanks!
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Tipperary / Re: Catherine "Kate" Nevin (Nenagh, 1905 - 1930s...?)
« on: Tuesday 06 October 15 14:33 BST (UK) »
Emigration documents wouldn't be too tricky. If America (or, quite often, Australia) they do tend to have parents' names included - which I do have.
As for the others...eek!
As for the others...eek!
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Tipperary / Re: Catherine "Kate" Nevin (Nenagh, 1905 - 1930s...?)
« on: Tuesday 06 October 15 14:15 BST (UK) »
I tried using no date variable (or geographic variable) at all! I think there were only about three hits for all of Southern Ireland.
Her birth is recorded (Spring 1905, Borrisokane)
Hmm...there are two 1947/48 marriages down in Thurles and over in Portumna. I suppose without a pre-1958 death record, those are two possibilities. Shame they can't be pursued without expensive certificate purchasing!
Her birth is recorded (Spring 1905, Borrisokane)
Hmm...there are two 1947/48 marriages down in Thurles and over in Portumna. I suppose without a pre-1958 death record, those are two possibilities. Shame they can't be pursued without expensive certificate purchasing!
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Tipperary / Catherine "Kate" Nevin (Nenagh, 1905 - 1930s...?)
« on: Tuesday 06 October 15 10:16 BST (UK) »
Wondering if anyone can help trace a lost ancestor of mine?
Catherine "Kate" Nevin was born 18th March 1905 at Annagh, Terryglass parish, near Nenagh, Co. Tipperary, baptised a day later at Terryglass Church, and registered on the 28th April. Her parents were Frank and Mary. Frank was a labourer.
She was the 10th of 12 children, following Mary, Bridget, Patrick, Martin, Honora, Francis, Michael, Letitia and Julia, and preceeding Margaret and James.
She can be found on the 1911 census here - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilbarron/Annagh/836445/
My Nan - her niece (via Michael) was born in 1921 and remembers Kate visiting them in a local shop which my Nan's mother owned and worked at. My Nan has always estimated that Kate who "had a bad heart" died around 1935 and hadn't been married, but I can find no reference to an appropriate death record anywhere on the Irish records.
Just wondering if anyone wanted to have a go at finding the details of Kate's later years...?
Many thanks!
Catherine "Kate" Nevin was born 18th March 1905 at Annagh, Terryglass parish, near Nenagh, Co. Tipperary, baptised a day later at Terryglass Church, and registered on the 28th April. Her parents were Frank and Mary. Frank was a labourer.
She was the 10th of 12 children, following Mary, Bridget, Patrick, Martin, Honora, Francis, Michael, Letitia and Julia, and preceeding Margaret and James.
She can be found on the 1911 census here - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilbarron/Annagh/836445/
My Nan - her niece (via Michael) was born in 1921 and remembers Kate visiting them in a local shop which my Nan's mother owned and worked at. My Nan has always estimated that Kate who "had a bad heart" died around 1935 and hadn't been married, but I can find no reference to an appropriate death record anywhere on the Irish records.
Just wondering if anyone wanted to have a go at finding the details of Kate's later years...?
Many thanks!
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United States of America / Re: John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin m. Manhattan 1917 (she from Tipperary)
« on: Tuesday 29 September 15 15:43 BST (UK) »
Yes, that confirms it, then. Mary's parents' names are correct in the death record, and her age seems to have adjusted to something more truthful. Such a short life, and the first one of her twelve siblings to die - yet they never knew what happened to her.
Thank you all.
Thank you all.
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United States of America / Re: John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin m. Manhattan 1917 (she from Tipperary)
« on: Tuesday 29 September 15 14:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the amazing work on this, folks!
Shellyesq - I was initially reluctant to believe in this one as the children and the story differ from what I believed to be the case. Once I found the reference to John F and Mary Nevin I googled them and found that there had been a couple of that name living in Manhattan. They had two children - Marjorie in 1917 and Margaret (it is thought) shortly afterwards. The belief was that father John F had died in 1919. Hence this differs from what I was expecting. But, as we know in family history, don't always expected the expected!
"« Reply #2 on: Today at 12:18 »QuoteThe census look like 2 good matches. Age of Mary is off on both - making her birth year 1896 or 1892 which might be a puzzle."
If this is 'my' Mary, could she have consistently lied about her age? If she came to America in, say, 1907, she would already have been 19 - to have married in 1917 would have made her 29 - something which perhaps many men of the time would have considered unfavourably old?
Re: the Geraldine F who dies 1997, if that woman does belong to John and Mary...then it is not 'my' Mary and we are back to square one again! But the finding of Audrey having the same birthday does suggest that this is *this* family - a family of John Fitzgerald and Mary Boyle...rather than John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin. I think that these census records then have to be discounted.
UNLESS Mary Nevin remarries after John's death - to a Mr. Boyle. Hence when Geraldine provides the data on her parents she names her mother as "Mary Boyle"? Is this feasible?
"This appears to be Mary's passenger list to New York - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXYX-XM7 Father's name looks like Frank Nevin, Loseria?, Nenagh, Tipperary."
Amazing find. However, I think that the place name is 'Roscrea' - quite some miles away from where the family was living. I don't have evidence for there being a Frank Nevin living around there...but it is a discrepency that would need sorting out. There are two Mary Nevins in the 1901 census around North Tipperary who aren't mine - both are living as servants, and I've not yet ascertained their parentage. Someone with access to Rootsireland might be able to help re: seeing if any other Frank/Mary combos were around at the time...
"« Reply #5 on: Today at 14:20 »QuoteThis WWI draft registration card for a John Fitzgerald born Providence, Rhode Island - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXYV-Z5Y - gives the same address as the one above in the 1920 census. However, he is listed as married, but it was dated 5 Jun. 1917, which would have been before the Nov. 1917 marriage date."
Confusingly, I've also found a reference to the marriage (on Ancestry) giving the date as May 1917! If that was the case...then this could well be him. But as I said, this appears to be a John F who married a Mary Boyle...thus is not the one referred to in the marriage cert.
Shellyesq - I was initially reluctant to believe in this one as the children and the story differ from what I believed to be the case. Once I found the reference to John F and Mary Nevin I googled them and found that there had been a couple of that name living in Manhattan. They had two children - Marjorie in 1917 and Margaret (it is thought) shortly afterwards. The belief was that father John F had died in 1919. Hence this differs from what I was expecting. But, as we know in family history, don't always expected the expected!
"« Reply #2 on: Today at 12:18 »QuoteThe census look like 2 good matches. Age of Mary is off on both - making her birth year 1896 or 1892 which might be a puzzle."
If this is 'my' Mary, could she have consistently lied about her age? If she came to America in, say, 1907, she would already have been 19 - to have married in 1917 would have made her 29 - something which perhaps many men of the time would have considered unfavourably old?
Re: the Geraldine F who dies 1997, if that woman does belong to John and Mary...then it is not 'my' Mary and we are back to square one again! But the finding of Audrey having the same birthday does suggest that this is *this* family - a family of John Fitzgerald and Mary Boyle...rather than John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin. I think that these census records then have to be discounted.
UNLESS Mary Nevin remarries after John's death - to a Mr. Boyle. Hence when Geraldine provides the data on her parents she names her mother as "Mary Boyle"? Is this feasible?
"This appears to be Mary's passenger list to New York - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXYX-XM7 Father's name looks like Frank Nevin, Loseria?, Nenagh, Tipperary."
Amazing find. However, I think that the place name is 'Roscrea' - quite some miles away from where the family was living. I don't have evidence for there being a Frank Nevin living around there...but it is a discrepency that would need sorting out. There are two Mary Nevins in the 1901 census around North Tipperary who aren't mine - both are living as servants, and I've not yet ascertained their parentage. Someone with access to Rootsireland might be able to help re: seeing if any other Frank/Mary combos were around at the time...
"« Reply #5 on: Today at 14:20 »QuoteThis WWI draft registration card for a John Fitzgerald born Providence, Rhode Island - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXYV-Z5Y - gives the same address as the one above in the 1920 census. However, he is listed as married, but it was dated 5 Jun. 1917, which would have been before the Nov. 1917 marriage date."
Confusingly, I've also found a reference to the marriage (on Ancestry) giving the date as May 1917! If that was the case...then this could well be him. But as I said, this appears to be a John F who married a Mary Boyle...thus is not the one referred to in the marriage cert.
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United States of America / John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin m. Manhattan 1917 (she from Tipperary)
« on: Tuesday 29 September 15 09:20 BST (UK) »
My Great Grandfather's oldest sister, Mary Nevin, was born in Frolic, Monsea near Nenagh, Tipperary in 1888. Her parents were Francis Nevin (b. 1859), a labourer from Woodford, Galway and Mary Meara (b. 1869 Cloughjordan) a servant. Mary Nevin was one of twelve children born between 1888 and 1911.
Mary was also the only one to emigrate. My Grandmother stated she was told that she emigrated to America and was never heard from again. I'd always been interested in finding out what happened to her, but a relative found a death record for a "Mary Navin born Borrisokane Oct-Dec 1888 who died in Westport between Oct-Dec 1911 at the age of 23" which seemed to settle that, what with Westport being potentially "on the way" to America. Mary was still at home with her parents in 1901 but had left by 1911. We've never conclusively found her in the 1911 - in Ireland at least.
But now a new record has emerged suggesting that Mary *did* make it to America. It's a marriage record from 26th November 1917 in Manhattan and the bride and groom are John J. Fitzgerald (son of Joseph Fitzgerald and Mary McElroy, from Providence R.I.) and Mary Nevin (daughter of Francis Nevin and Mary O'Meara from Ireland). I think the coincidence is too great for this not to be 'my' Mary.
Unfortunately, after this the trail runs cold and I can't find John and Mary and/or any potential children in any set of records anywhere. I'd expect them (or at least one of them!) to be in 1920 census, but can find nothing.
Can anyone find any clues as to what happened next?
Mary was also the only one to emigrate. My Grandmother stated she was told that she emigrated to America and was never heard from again. I'd always been interested in finding out what happened to her, but a relative found a death record for a "Mary Navin born Borrisokane Oct-Dec 1888 who died in Westport between Oct-Dec 1911 at the age of 23" which seemed to settle that, what with Westport being potentially "on the way" to America. Mary was still at home with her parents in 1901 but had left by 1911. We've never conclusively found her in the 1911 - in Ireland at least.
But now a new record has emerged suggesting that Mary *did* make it to America. It's a marriage record from 26th November 1917 in Manhattan and the bride and groom are John J. Fitzgerald (son of Joseph Fitzgerald and Mary McElroy, from Providence R.I.) and Mary Nevin (daughter of Francis Nevin and Mary O'Meara from Ireland). I think the coincidence is too great for this not to be 'my' Mary.
Unfortunately, after this the trail runs cold and I can't find John and Mary and/or any potential children in any set of records anywhere. I'd expect them (or at least one of them!) to be in 1920 census, but can find nothing.
Can anyone find any clues as to what happened next?
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Tipperary / Re: Michael Stapleton of Sedgemoor (Knigh) and Ms. Hogan
« on: Thursday 24 September 15 14:49 BST (UK) »
Oh, no worries there - I already have all the census data on them, baptisms, marriages etc. and have even visited the house! I was just wondering how I'd get more detail on the aforementioned case at the Quarter Sessions...