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M Gudgeon was Melville Quantrille Gudgeon - younger brother of Herman and took over Herman's sheep station after Herman's death in 1928.  Their father, Walter Edward Gudgeon, was a fan of the author Herman Mellville. (I don't need to know anything more about Walter - I have his biography etc)

There were 3 sheep  stations - all originally belonging to Walter.  Two were run by his sons. Herman and Melville.  Some of the land was transferred to Herman and Walter in around 1917.   in 1917 Herman and Melville were said to have 500 acres each, plus 300 acres they managed on behalf of their father.  So after their father died they had 650 acres each. After Herman died in 1928 they were combined into one sheep station.  My understanding is that these 1300 acres were originally one parcel of land.  Changes in locality name relate to administrative changes - the farms themselves did not move.


The locality names used in conjunction with these sheep stations changed over time.  Initially we have Kahukura, Waiapu County.  Then we have Tikitiki and later Ruatoria.  The change from Tikitiki to Ruatoria seems to reflect the decline in importance of Tikitiki (substantial loss of population over the time) and rise in importance of Ruatoria. So - several place names refering to the same locality as far as the farms were concerned.

Now Spelling:

The most common spelling of the farm name was Wharekihauponga on sheep owners returns
I have also found Wharekirauponga (Herman's obituary - Poverty Bay Herald)
and Whare-ta-rau-punga (Herman's death notice)

I understand that these Gudgeon families were fluent Maori speakers. 






 






 

Hi Keith, yes, it does look rather solved.  Still, I would like to see the probate document.

I am unaware of John Martin PELL having any family.  He was buried at Daventry  on 24 May 1781.  The burial register notes that he was from Guilsborough.

Dates are always interesting.  We tend to regard them as universal.  But, in fact they are an invention and different cultures and countries make their own variants.  In Scotland they went to Legal Dates a lot earlier than England.

Do you have birth/baptismal info for Elizabeth?
Steve

Hi Keith,
              I don't have either of those Wills.  Most of my research in this area was done around 2001 and jointly with other people interested in the family.  They had (or have) some Wills that I don't have. I am no longer in contact with them.
Steve

Hi Keith, Interesting.  I haven’t had a look at the Pells for a while.  I don’t have any agenda as to which Elizabeth was the mother of William Pell’s children.  But it there are corrections to be made then  that should happen.

Firstly, the only relevant marriage record relating to the event.

“Marriages Anno Domini 1700
“…
“William Pell of Moulton & Elizabeth Bateman of Guilsborough were married October the 19th day.”
=St Sepulchure parish register, Northampton, England
The marriage register does not indicate whether either party was previously married.

Further, William Pell’s father was Martin Pell.  Martin Pell’s Will states that William has a son named “Martin”.  I take the “John Martin Pell” of the baptism records to be this Martin.   (Martin was an unusual name in the Pell families of the time.)

Further to the connection between William Pell, Tallow Chandler, and Martin Pell of Moulton we have the following apprenticeship abstract:
“Pell William, son of Martin, Moulton, Northamptonshire, yeoman, to Ralph Field, 4 May 1692, Tallow Chandlers' Company “
= English Origins - London Apprenticeship Abstracts  1442-1850

However, the discussion is not over William, But rather about who was his wife.

Was she Elizabeth LEE (as Andrew LEE’s Will claims)  or Was she Elizabeth BATEMAN as per the marriage records. OR Was she both…

I can suggest 2 possibilities.
1) Perhaps Elizabeth LEE had a 1st marriage with a man named BATEMAN  and the marriage to William PELL was a 2nd marriage
I haven’t found a marriage between Elizabeth LEE and unknown BATEMAN
2) Perhaps there really was an Elizabeth BATEMAN and she died and William married again – this time to Elizabeth LEE.
I haven’t found a marriage record between William PELL and Elizabeth LEE/
I have seen a number of instances of quick 2nd marriages where there were children to support.  It could have happened here.

The lack of a marriage record is a problem.

Also, in 1701 there is a Marriage record for William BULL and Elizabeth LEE.  It is remotely possible that William BULL was indeed William PELL or that Elizabeth LEE did, in fact, marry William BULL. 

Personally, I think that the 1st possibility is the more likely – That she was previously married to a man named BATEMAN.
Steve Nethercote

Hi Judith,
I have read trove carefully and I know a good deal about him and his family.  The biggest gap I have is in knowing how he got to be a "working jeweller" - ie a maker and repairer of jewellery.   It might explain how he got to move from Melbourne to Goulburn - which is another gap in my knowledge. 
Regards
Steve