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New Zealand / What happened to Amelia Frampton
« on: Tuesday 19 December 23 13:31 GMT (UK)  »
Amelia Shore Eames was born 1842 in Bedminster Bristol England.. Her parents were Lavinia Hill and William Shore Eames who married 14 July 1841 @ St Mary Redcliff Bristol. She had 3 sisters,  Mary Ann, 1842 (my g grandmother) Fanny c 1845 who are both fully researched and Maria c1839 of whom I know little and what I do know is confusing so I am ignoring for the time being.
Amelia was living with an aunt in Bristol in 1851 and a servant in London in 1861.In 1865 she married Thomas Milton Frampton at St John in Bedminster Bristol. They had 4 children all born in the London area:
1866 Eliza Marion, 1870 Charles Edwin, 1872 Thomas Milton, 1876 Ada Elizabeth. On 17 December 1875 they left London on the Waipa arriving in Auckland April 2 1876. All 4 children died before 1912 and Thomas Milton sen died in 1905 and is buried in Waikumete cemetery Auckland.. I am unable to find any trace of Amelia after her arrival in NZ. A passenger list on WikiTree would appear to indicate that she arrived in NZ. What happened to her? For brevity I have not included further details of  her children but am happy to do so.
Regards

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Worcestershire / Re: George Frederick Miles (1871)
« on: Wednesday 18 October 23 11:35 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your replies. The Wiltshire Baptisms Index (1530-1917) transcription shows his baptism as 9 Apr 1871 in Semley Wiltshire identifying his parents and his father's occupation. Date and place of birth of the George who died in Broadmoor are not compatible and so is not "my" George.

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Worcestershire / George Frederick Miles (1871)
« on: Friday 13 October 23 11:22 BST (UK)  »
George Frederick Miles was baptised in Semley, Wiltshire on 9 April 1871. His parents were William Miles (c1843-1913) and Emma Elizabeth Fry (1842-1910). His birth was registered in the Amesbury district in Jan -Mar quarter 1871. He is in the 1871 census in Semley where is father is the police constable. In 1881 the family are in Kings Norton where William is an “excavator”, George is shown as born Shaftesbury which is clearly wrong.  He had 2 siblings, William (1866-1923) and Tom (1867-1915) who have been satisfactorily researched, as have his parents. Note that his mother was Elizabeth Emma Fry and is recorded under either name at different times. I can find no trace of George Frederick Miles after the 1881 census. I have put this under Worcestershire as this was his last known location. Any help much appreciated.
Regards

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscription
« on: Thursday 05 January 23 13:13 GMT (UK)  »
Success! Tried the chat, totally baffled by it so rang up again. Different agent and this time got the 50% discount on World. Clearly pays to keep trying!

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscription
« on: Wednesday 04 January 23 14:57 GMT (UK)  »
Just rung Ancestry and been told there is no offer for World only for Premium (up to 9 Jan).  World is what I need. I am not a recent subscriber but apparently was in 2006. Is it worth trying via chat?

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Warwickshire / Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« on: Tuesday 20 December 22 11:59 GMT (UK)  »
I have just received the birth cert of Jessie Agnes Baker. No father is shown. Her full christian names are Jessie Agnes Hughes. I wonder if the Hughes may be after the father? Regardless that would appear to be a dead end. Thanks for all your help.

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Warwickshire / Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« on: Saturday 26 November 22 11:04 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you. I agree with your identification of the "missing" children. Have searched again in 1911 (on FindMyPast) but not found them. Re the 2 later children your thoughts are similar to mine. I may get one birth cert to see what it says.
Regards

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Warwickshire / Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« on: Thursday 24 November 22 19:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your replies. Thank you for finding the birth of Elizabeth in 1905 and I am happy that Charlotte is the deceased child from the 1911 census. Two questions remain from this period, where were the 2 living children in 1911 and what is the identity of Elizabeth's sibling.
Moving to 1921 I must apologise for not including the fact that I had located a Belinda Baker of the right age in an institution, possibly an orphanage, in Erdington Birmingham which ties in with your information. Her father is shown as dead. This fits with Beatrice (1887) being a widow, Still no trace of the unidentified missing child from 1911 census.
Thank you for finding the death of Beatrice Rose.
I have now established that the 2 children born after 1921 and found in the 1939 register are both deceased so here are their details; 8/3/1922 Dora M Baker, married name Barton, d 1981 Birmingham. 2/7/1925 Jessie Agnes H, married twice, 2nd to Staunton d 1988  Birmingham. Both births show mother as Miles. The question is if Beatrice was a widow in 1921 which Baker was the father if indeed a Baker was the father?

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Warwickshire / Beatrice Miles 1887
« on: Thursday 24 November 22 13:45 GMT (UK)  »
Beatrice Miles was born 03/08/1887 in Kings Norton/ Her parents were Thomas and Laura Lavinia. Her siblings were Tom (1/7/1889) William (23/12/1891) Frederick Arthur (5/9/1893) Ernest 1899. I have satisfactorily traced siblings and parents.
In 1901 the whole family were at 35 Back of Edward Rd Balsall Heath.
On March 27th 1905 Beatrice married John Thomas Baker at the St Thomas in the Moors parish church. He was born in Bodicott Oxfordshire
In 1911 Beatrice & John were with his parents Edward & Charlotte at 29 Jakeman Walk Balsall Heath. There are no children present. The census indicates she has had 3 children 2 alive  one dead.
Her parents and siblings were all at Wenman Street Balsall Heath. No other children present.
In 1907 in Kings Norton a Charlotte Amelia Baker, mother Miles, was born, she died in 1909 and seems likely to be the deceased child. The other 2 children not identified or found in 1911
By 1921 both her parents had died. (the strange circumstances surrounding the death of her father, Thomas Miles, are recorded in the Birmingham Mail July 2nd 1915.)
I thought  I had located Beatrice in 1921 a a boarder at 164 Belgrave Rd Birmingham. There were 3 Baker children with her, Elizabeth May 16y 4m, John T 6y 5m, William A 1y 10 m. Beatrice is shown as a widow. John T Baker, mother Miles b Birmingham q1 1915.  William A Baker, mother Miles, b Kings Norton q3 1919. Register dates tie in with census ages. I can find no birth for Elizabeth May but she may be one of the 2 living children mentioned on the 1911 census. The age on the 1921 census implies she was born Feb/ Mar 1905 and thus highly possible before her mother was married. I have therefore also searched under Miles but nothing found.
In 1939 Beatrice (dob matches) was in Birmingham with son William. She is widowed. Also present are 2 children born after 1921 (as potentially still living I give no details) with mother's name Miles. I have been unable to identify a death for John Thomas Baker.
Any help in clarifying all this and thus preventing the order of lots of certifaicates greatly appreciated.

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