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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Marriage & Bigamy
« on: Sunday 04 February 18 01:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks PurpleOwl for the information!

I have recently just discovered two divorces in the family. One was able to divorce after claiming that she had been deserted (this certainly sounded like the case!), and another through an illegitimate marriage which was caught, voided and then they officially remarried 5 years later.

Another book to add to my reading list :)

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Where are my paternal ancestors?
« on: Sunday 04 February 18 01:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Treefan,

I too have a similar situation to yourself. Most of my Ancestry DNA matches come from my maternal side. Those that seem to come from my paternal side are very distant and when I have tried communicating with them to see where our trees link up, we can't seem to find common ancestors.

I guess DNA testing is still relatively new and the more people that do the test, the more likely it is for matches to start appearing on your paternal side. Although it is still clever, the results are not always accurate and they are always improving the science behind it.

If you would like to learn more about DNA Testing and genetics, I have just finished a fantastic book: 'The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy' by Blaine T Bettinger.
It's a fantastic read and very informative!
In it, it explains that your family tree and your DNA can often be two very different things altogether.

Hope this helps,
Chris

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Friday 02 February 18 01:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your help!

A few updates...
William Nixon Horn, got his job in Chile as a chemist. He was originally from Greenock, Scotland. Violet joined him in to get married. After 2 and half years, she returned to see her mother in Scotland. Nearly 2 years later, she returned to William to find he had turned to alcohol. In 1901, he had "lost his situation" (I'm not quite sure exactly what this means). They sailed home, where he left Violet in Valparaiso, Chile. Once she had sailed home (1-2 months), she discovered he had already left and was apparently in Fremantle, Australia. Divorce granted in 1906.

The dates don't appear to add up. He apparently sailed in October 1901, she sailed in December 1901. She then discovered that he had sailed again in 1902 to Fremantle Australia, meaning that it would be unlikely for William to be George's father (he was born 3rd November 1903), even though he is listed on the birth certificate.
She could have lied to get the divorce granted, but that seems strange as there doesn't appear to be any other marriage or children.

I still can't find George in 1911.

I looked up the 1939 register, and George is listed with Margaret Ellen (how many times did she need to change her name!!!), alongside Violet Mary Booth (born 1932) and one that I cannot see. I assume this is my deceased Grandad, born 1935.
He has W.C next to his name (I do not know what this is?), and on his notes it says, Merchant Navy, although I have found no other records to go along with this.

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 12:08 GMT (UK)  »
Very true avm228!

Also, I have found a marriage on freebmd, for a Nellie M Maidment and a Horn, in July 1938. Does this mean that this was them getting married legally?

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 12:04 GMT (UK)  »
Violet appeared to travel to Taltal, Chile to meet up with William Horn, who was there for work. She appeared to return to Scotland, and then travelled to Australia, but there is no mention of him after the marriage.

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 12:03 GMT (UK)  »
I've just read through the article! Unbelievable. Bit blown away at the moment!

That would be my tree. Although I have done research on a few generations up, I have only the birth certificate to link the two together (yes, not fantastic research and no proof whatsoever, but I was hoping to find more information from doing it, but failed!).

I am still confused with the name difference of William Horn on birth certificate and John Horn on marriage certificate. His birth date is the 3rd November (not the 9th December, my mistake!).

Thanks
Chris

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 11:40 GMT (UK)  »
Wow! I have just signed up to the British newspaper, and am reading through this.
I never knew anything of this, and this would explain a lot of the mystery!

Would you then say that my grandfather's birth certificate that states his mother as Ellen Linfield, that it is in fact this lady? He was born in 1935, in Worthing,

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Sussex / Re: The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hello avm228,

Thank you for your reply!

I can't find George in 1911. He must be there somewhere, but I seem to go round and round with this search :(

I haven't looked at the 1939 register. I have Ancestry, do I need something else to access this?

Violet emigrates in 1922, on her own. From what I've worked out with the incoming passenger lists, she docks in Sydney and ends up in Melbourne. On her Victorian Death Certificate, it states that she had been in Victoria for 25 years, which adds up.

In regards to your find of the Margaret Ellen - I also found this and there are a few coincedences.
My family (that side), lived in Ashford, Kent at that time. Whenever I have asked about Ellen, they told me they always thought her name was Margaret (obviously this doesn't match up with certificates I have).
The birthdate also adds up that she would have been 30 when they got married, which it states on their marriage certificate.

Chris

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Sussex / The Horn Family (Help!)
« on: Thursday 01 February 18 10:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all :)

I have previously attempted to find out some information about my G-Grandfather, George Lamont Horn (born 1903). Unfortunately, I know very little about this side of the family, and when I set up a post a few years back, everyone encouraged me to get the certificates. About 3 years later (and a university degree), I have returned to this brick wall and have now got George's birth and marriage certificate. However, nothing adds up...

Birth Certificate: George Lamont Horn, born 9th December 1903 in Croydon. Father; William Nixon Horn. Mother; Violet Kemp Horn, formerly Thomson. William is listed as a Chemist.

Marriage Certificate: George Lamont Horn married Ellen Linfield on the 23rd December 1933 in East Preston, Sussex. They are both listed as 30 years old. He is a Butler, she a Cook General.
His father; John Horn (deceased), but listed as a Chemist. Her father; William Linfield (deceased) - Labourer.

Everytime I have attemped to go past George Lamont, I have found nothing. This has me more confused than ever when I opened the letter today so find that his father's first name is completely different on both certificates.

I have many questions and I'm hoping Rootschat members will be able to help!
Why is the father's names different? (but his profession appears to be the same)
I have done many searches for Ellen Linfield, but nothing has come up with her being born in 1903 or the years either side. She may have lied, I guess.
Why can't I find anything on the 1911 census for pretty much any of the names above?
I've done many searches to try and find if I have the wrong George Lamont, but there only ever appears to be one around the dates.

A bit more information: Violet Kemp Horn (George's mother), dies in 1946 in Geelong, Australia. I have her death certificate. She is listed as a Widow to William Horn, but with no issue (the staff in the home she appeared to live in may not have known she had children).

Any help would be amazing, and sorry for the bombardment of information!
Thanks in advance,
Chris

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