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Argyllshire / Re: Brick Wall nealry solved? Help please!
« on: Monday 07 June 21 15:36 BST (UK)  »

Re the antenuptial fornication, the only way to be certain is to see if the kirk session minutes survive. Not all the existing volumes have been published on ScotlandsPeople. If the entry for the baptism definitely states she was born on 15th September 1828 as opposed to being baptised then, you should consider what the marriage entries in the two parishes say. Do they actually state that the couple were married on 7th July?


On Margaret's birth record it states - 'Margaret daut'r by antenuptial fornication to Peter Mactavish & Flory Hammel Lochkiaran born 15 Sept 1828 registered 24 Nov'.

Marriage record for Peter Thomas & Flora Hemal in Saddell & Skipness Parish - 'July 7, Peter Thomson & Flora Hemal both of this parish'.

Marriage record for Peter Mactavish & Flory Hamiltown in Kilcalmonell parish - 'Eadem diem (7th July 1827) were booked in order to marriage Peter Mactavish in Aragaig in the parish of Claonaig and Flory Hamiltown in Lochkiaran and in this Parish of Kilcalmonell & Kilberry'.

I cannot see that it catergorically states they were actually married. Would they booked in order to marry in July of 1827, and still by September of 1828 not be married? A regular occurrence?

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Argyllshire / Re: Brick Wall nealry solved? Help please!
« on: Monday 07 June 21 11:52 BST (UK)  »
Also, I am a little confused with information given on Margaret MacTavish's baptism record in 1828. Her parents Peter & Flora married 7th July 1827, and Margaret was born 15th September 1828, but it says on her record that she was born in antenuptial fornication. I have looked but Kirk session records aren't available for the parish of Kilcalmonell.

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Argyllshire / Re: Brick Wall nealry solved? Help please!
« on: Monday 07 June 21 11:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that info! Any idea why they would use MacTavish & Thomson silmultaneously, for example on the day of Peter & Flora's marriage, Peter was Thomson in Saddell & Skipness but MacTavish in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry. Does it depend on the Minister?

And I am also struggling to find a birth for Peter Thomson/MacTavish, would it also depend on who was writing the record as to what the surname would have been written down as?

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Argyllshire / Brick Wall nealry solved? Help please!
« on: Sunday 06 June 21 22:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone,

I have a brick wall in my family tree that I had all but accepted and moved on from. I believe I have previously posted on it, but cannot find the threads.

It is regarding my 4x GG's Peter Thomson, herring fisherman, & Flora Hamilton.

This is the info I had.

Peter Thomson married Flora Hemmal 7th July 1827, Saddell & Skipness.
3 children - Duncan Thomson dies 1862 at Breckval, Kilberry. Margaret (marries a McCook) dies in 1899. Catherine, mentioned on the death record for Flora in 1867.

Peter Thomson I find on NO census records. Only firm census I can find for Flora is in 1861 - Flora Thompson, 70, Parliament Square Campbeltown, Late Fishermans Wife.

I could find no birth records for the children, Duncan, Catherine, & Margaret.

Story ended there - couldn't seem to go any further.

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Tonight I find a marriage between a Peter MacTavish in Aragaig, in the Parish of Claonaig & Flora Hamiltown in Lochkiaran, in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry, on 7th July 1827.

I then find births -
Margaret MacTavish, 15th Sept 1828 at Lochkiaran. (Says born in Fornication)
Catharine MacTavish, 28th Dec 1830 at Lochkiaran.
Duncan MacTavish, 7th Apr 1834 " "
Duncan MacTavish, 9th Dec 1835 " "

Peter is listed as being a Cottar at Lochkiaran.

I then notice the 1841 census I had previously saved for Archibald Hamilton, father to Flora. His residence is Lochkieranbeg in Kilacalmonell. Amongst the people living with him are Nancy Thomson, 8 & Duncan Thomson, 5.

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Margaret Thomson (daughter of Peter & Flora) marriage Hugh McCook. I had believed Hugh fathered an illegitimate son called William McCook/McTavish with another lady called Margaret McTavish, but now I am wondering whether William was born out of wedlock to Hugh & Margaret or whether Margaret had William by another man.

My question is that the marriage in Saddell & Skipness has Peter's surname as Thomson. But the one in Kilcalmonell has him as MacTavish. The children are born MacTavish, but from then on out are mainly Thomson. Why might this be? Any suggestions are welcome. It migt help solve a family riddle i'd not been able to solve for years.

Also - am i putting 2 and 2 together and getting 100?

Thanks in advance,

Keelan

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Montgomeryshire / David Francis, 1848, Translation
« on: Tuesday 02 March 21 14:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
Can anyone translate the info on this document please? I have tried but can't piece it together. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Keelan

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Midlothian / What happened to Helen Widcock née Sutherland?
« on: Tuesday 23 February 21 00:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

My 5x great aunt was Helen Sutherland, who on the 17th February 1807 in Canongate, Edinburgh, married Thomas Widcock.

Helen is listed as the daughter of Adam Sutherland, a Porter. Thomas’ occupation is given as ‘2 R. Y. Militia’.

I can’t seem to find what became of either Thomas or Helen after their marriage.

Can anyone help?

Thank you in advance

Keelan

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: 1841 Census Query
« on: Sunday 21 February 21 14:16 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks very much both!
Keelan

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / SOLVED 1841 Census Query
« on: Saturday 20 February 21 23:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

1841 Census for my 5x Great Grandmother, Margaret Oseman in Bo'ness, has the initials P P written above her name and its transcribed as Margaret Oseman P P on Ancestry. Does anyone know what P P might stand for?

Thank you,

Keelan

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Lanarkshire / Re: Fleming Children of Glasgow mid-1800's
« on: Wednesday 13 January 21 15:40 GMT (UK)  »
Monica - 'Pure guess that his mum may have been called Agnes, if they followed Scottish naming pattern. Elizabeth had already used Margaret for her mother with Margaret Brown. No more than a guess really.' I had thought of this as well, but then I thought Mary as the third daughter of Elizabeth would be called Elizabeth after herself. Only thing is because no baptismal records for these children are available, we don't know if other daughters were born who were named using the tradition but then died before 1841.

Only one birth for a Fleming between 1790 & 1810 in Denny I have found

FLEMING
ISOBEL
JAMES FLEMING/AGNES HENDERSON FR282 (FR282)
M
16/02/1800
476/
10 385
Denny

Keelan

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