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Antrim / Re: Hill family of Larne, Hillmount and Ballymena
« on: Saturday 07 October 23 12:08 BST (UK)  »
There seems no limit to the number and intermarriages of these Walsh / McNeill / Newett / Williams etc. solicitors, but for light relief I am pleased that Francis Brereton ("Ned") Newett, Letitia's brother, was a "fine opener" according to A History of Senior Cricket in Ulster (2003), and 1902 winner of the Irish golf championship.
Brereton Newett's death - Belfast News-Letter, 25 Dec 1899 [sometimes Brereton John, Brereton J]
Ned's will - BNL 21 May 1913
Further evidence about the Drains lands and the Fitzgibbon / Hill / Lepper / Macaulay / Martin / McNeill / Williams links - BNL 2 Oct 1936.

But was John Hill of Ballyboley a close relation of the other Hillmount Hills: George Hill (died 1828) and his wife and cousin Mary Hill (died 1859)? That was my starting point.

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Antrim / Re: John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley
« on: Friday 06 October 23 16:18 BST (UK)  »
A positive ID would help, but I suppose the man "John H Hill" on the Ballynure headstone (died 1926, bachelor age 83) must be John Houston Hill and an early son of John Hill of Hillmount, Ballyboley. At census times, he's probably the retired farmer in Holyrood Road (1901; a John Hill sold Hillmount in 1897) and the tea agent in Duncairn Gardens (1911); he dies (with the missionary David Boyd on the death reg) in Limestone Road, which is where Margaret Hill the music teacher lived. 

To recap - and distinguish some of the many places called Hillmount - let's call HM#1 the one near the carn or cairn field by Upper Ballyboley school, and a bit north of Hills Bridge at Lower Ballyboley; convenient access between these two areas was at issue in the violent 1870s squabbles of John Hill and his Ballyboley neighbours. Press reports about John's disagreements with school management mention a teacher daughter - possibly Margaret above, though that is speculation.

Call the one in Drains near Larne HM#2 - this is presumably the one mentioned in the will of George Hill (died 1828). Call the one in Greenisland, also near the shore, where the unfortunate son William Hugh Hill shot himself, HM#3 - see Belfast News-letter 5 August 1906 for the auction ("There is a free Second Class Railway Ticket to Belfast attached").

Call the one near Cullybackey HM#4 - probably the best known, held for many years by the Frazer family (of Frazer & Haughton), and long ago by John Hill who met financial difficulties.

So what's the exact link between John Hill of Drumquin/Ballyboley and George&Mary? There are so many Hillmounts that a John Hill who calls his property Hillmount would get no attention for that alone; but in addition we see the solicitors McNeill and Fitzgibbon, and lease/mortgage dealings between John and George's widow Mary Hill...and this does get my attention.

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Antrim / Re: John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley
« on: Wednesday 04 October 23 20:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for taking an interest

Just a reminder that "Edna" (1887-1913) was in full "Edmonia Hill Hay", and since she was S A Hill's niece I reckon that she was named in honour of his wife Edmonia "Ted" Taylor.

There is no guarantee that John Hill (Drumquin & Ballyboley) was a near relative of his Ballyboley neighbour John Hill (S A Hill's father) - I'm just hoping for clarity. DNA investigations continue...but the trees are tangled, e.g. Edna's maternal grandmother was Jane Hill and her paternal grandfather John was Jane's brother, if I've got this right.

Any further news of Samuel Hill the Customs official, who "had made many friends while in Belfast"?


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Antrim / Re: John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley
« on: Friday 03 June 22 15:19 BST (UK)  »
Moreover and alarmingly I see that Fitzgibbon (by now Q.C. in the County Court) heard a case in Larne (Larne Times 26 October 1895) where William Hill claimed and the defendants counterclaimed.

"His Honour set one claim against the other and dismissed the case without costs" - jolly good.

William was acting as executor of his uncle William Howie. It is possible that all parties including His Honour were already acquainted. So, a supplementary question...can these Hills of Ballygowan be positively linked with the aforementioned John Hill, and with George & Mary? It is a bit late but I hope some reader(s) have followed the good work by Gilby, pablo1 et al. and found relevant papers, perhaps from legal records of Fitzgibbon and W W McNeill jr.

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Antrim / Re: John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley
« on: Wednesday 01 June 22 22:52 BST (UK)  »
Thanks.

The newspapers are probably essential to this query - I don't think I'm allowed to post copies, but the 1867 text reads
"Mr. Samuel Hill, son of John Hill, Esq., Upper Langfield, county Tyrone, [and] Hillmount, Upper Antrim. This young gentleman's many friends in Belfast will be happy to hear of his appointment..."
Appointed where? HM Customs in London?

I've attached a summary of some PRONI papers strongly suggesting a family link via the McNeills / Fitzgibbons of that "Hillmount" thread - but this does not (yet) prove John's link with Rev. John Hill & his wife Ann Moore.

I realise that from one point of view I am simply grumpy that R M Sibbett's background knowledge ("The Larne McNeills, connected with the Hills of Hillmount, followed the legal profession" - On The Shining Bann) wasn't fully preserved!

cheers

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Antrim / John Hill of Drumquin and Ballyboley
« on: Wednesday 01 June 22 14:48 BST (UK)  »
Good day

I'm trying this new thread because the "Hill family of Larne, Hillmount and Ballymena" thread has seen little recent activity, and because there is an Antrim/Tyrone overlap.

The schoolteacher John Hill of Ballyboley (c. 1813-1890, buried in Ballynure) appears as John Hill of:
- Drumquin / Upper Langfield, in Tyrone
- Hillmount, Ballyboley
- (I think) Bushmills - a teacher, 4th class, in the National Schools lists for 1852.

See Londonderry Standard 24 July 1867 for his son Samuel, a Customs official.
Another son shot himself in 1905 and is associated with yet another Hillmount:

Probate of the Will of William Hugh Hill late of Hillmount Greenisland County Antrim Superintendent of Works who died 30 December 1905 granted at Belfast to Andrew Sayers and William Gillespie Building Inspectors.

From the Ballynure inscriptions, John's father was Samuel Hill (died 24 April 1831 aged 78). Samuel's wife may be "Jennet" in the 1813 records, but may not be his first wife.

This John Hill is to be distinguished from his namesake and Ballyboley neighbour - also buried in Ballynure - the husband of Eliza Clements and father of S A Hill (Kipling's friend and host). But distinguishing the families is not always easy, especially as both families contained NS teachers. As usual, I and NIFHS colleagues will be most grateful if anyone knows further links - e.g. definite evidence about John's parents and grandparents, or about John's reliance on the solicitor William Walsh McNeill in his litigation. It is likely that WWM is important in the story - see the posts in the thread mentioned above. What was the family link, if any, between George & Mary Hill (of Larne, “Hillmount” etc.) and this John Hill (of Drumquin and the “Hillmount” residence in Ballyboley) ?

best wishes
 

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Lancashire / Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
« on: Sunday 17 April 22 08:06 BST (UK)  »
And the father looks like David who died in 1897 age 48 in Warrington.
Other children (Sarah Jane age 3, William age 7 who later married Benjamin Beddard's daughter) are with him, Mary Ann and David age 5 at "Wilderspool House" in 1881 census.
Apologies for being slow and non-local...I see there was a Cheshire/Lancashire boundary switch.
I am asking some Broomhedge locals and hoping to link with the Briggs/Creighton September 1873 marriage in Warrington. Not much chance of passenger lists for Belfast-Liverpool.
Thanks again

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Lancashire / Re: David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
« on: Saturday 16 April 22 23:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks
In that case, yes it must be David Briggs m. Edith Dumbell in St Elphin's, December 1901, by which time David Briggs senior had died. His wife Mary Ann (nee Creighton) has birthplace "Castle Ray Belfast" in one of the 1881 census transcriptions, and that must be Castlereagh.
cheers

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Lancashire / David Briggs - unpleasant death 1934
« on: Saturday 16 April 22 22:31 BST (UK)  »
David Briggs, brewery driver, age 57-59, found dead at railway line near Latchford - see e.g. Liverpool Echo, 11 & 12 Dec 1934.
His son Cyril Briggs, a journalist, gave evidence at the inquest.
Was this the well-known sports (especially rugby league) journalist Cyril Briggs? Of the Cyril Briggs Press Agency in Warrington (near Wilderspool, where David lived)?
I would be grateful for confirmation: this looks like the family of David Briggs and Mary Ann Creighton (m. 1873), and it looks like David Briggs from Ireland (Broomhedge near Lisburn?), age 32 in 1881 census.
cheers
 

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