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Hi Chrisane,
Many thanks for your message im hoping the certificate arrives before i go on holiday next week, if not i will let you know what info it has on when i get back, George as i like you have found loads of  William and Georges both locally or nationally, so hopefully more info will be provided the break through required, apparently no mothers names on marriage cert,and not found williams birth as dont no where he was born.
Will be in touch soon
Many thanks once again for all your help
Debbie xxx

Hi Chrisane
Many thanks i have sent email to scunthorpe registry office about marriage cert so hopefully will hear back from them next week.
I have sent pm to you and many thanks for the research you did for me it was correct.
many thanks
Debbie xx

Hi Crisane,
Once again many thanks for all your help with this problem of mine.
Yes William Henry Barnes (my Great Grandfather) b 1895 Winterton,Lincs, d 1961, he married Harriet Dowse Wild 1913.
 His father William Dalton Barnes b 1871 Winterton (my 2x Great Grandfather) he married Emma Jane Parrott/Parratt 6th July 1894 Winterton.
 In the 1901 and 1911 census they are still in Winterton in Northlands rd (1901) and Earlsgate (1911)working as Agricultual/Farm Labourer.
This is the final documents i can find with the name Barnes.

On every search on Ancestry after that it seems to be Baines, including the probate and gravestone Picture, I cant find anything on BMD for Barnes either.

Heres the grave stone details also on his wife Emma Jane.
Name:    William Dalton Baines
Death Date:    26 Feb 1957
Cemetery:    Winterton Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:    Winterton, North Lincolnshire Unitary Authority, Lincolnshire, England
Has Bio?:    N
URL:    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-....

The probate i have, is the same as you found and posted on here previously for me, he leaves his estate to his son William Henry and his daughter Dorothy Emily, which is exactly as i have them in my tree.So far so good same children, although this supposedly belongs to William Dalton Baines.

I am in contact with a family member of  dorothys husband (frank Ling) and i dont think hes aware of the name change, but i will email him and ask him.

As for this other person i contacted( whos reply has set me on this trail) about William Dalton and his father and mother Charles Barnes and Faith Hannah Kirmen/Kernan/Kennan( all census records on Ancestry seem to have them coming from lincolnshire  upton, springthorpe,)  hes adamant there Baines as hes given me the exact same info that i have for them except for the fact that my Charles Barnes b 1849 is from Stillingfleet,Yorks, Faith Hannah is from Winterton.

This other person has the following:Charles Baines was my 2 x great uncle who was born in Upton,Lincs.
What is your relationship with Charles Baines and his wife Faith Hannah (Anna) Kirman (Kennan) . This surname has been recorded as Kerman, Kermand Kirman Kennan and even Kirkwood.

So as you can see this is a conundrum for me, im lead to understand people put different places of birth on census records but this doesent help me,with this name change, im not sure whether to ask this person if hes aware Baines is actually Barnes.

along with the pm message you sent me it does seem to look like they are the same people. Like you say they may have been hiding for whatever reason.
Many thanks once again
Debbie  .

Hi Crisane,
many thanks for getting back to me i dont understand what you mean changed his name to baines and altered is names round, do you mean hes going under Dalton William,
I am still unable to find anything for William Dalton either in Census's no marriage even though i know he married Faith Anna,no death and the same  goes for his father Charles.
Many thanks
Debbie xx