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Scotland / Re: James Handley
« on: Saturday 24 November 18 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
PS The family on FamilySearch is both incorrect and incomplete.
James, 1847, mother Carmes
Douglas, 1849, mother Cairns
John, 1850, mother Cairnns
Janet (Genit), 1852, mother Kearns
David, 1856, mother Carnes
Thomas, 1960, mother Carnes
Mary, 1862, mother Carns
If they had been following the Scottish naming tradition I'd expect Agnes' parents to be Douglas and Janet, and James' to be James and Mary, but we know that both their fathers were named John, so where did the other names come from?

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Scotland / Re: James Handley
« on: Saturday 24 November 18 10:36 GMT (UK)  »
Seems to be a few marriages in England for him and would like to know for certain he was born in Scotland IE certificate as also have one born in England
What do you mean when you say "there seems to be a few marriages in England for him"?

As he was born before the start of civil registration (1837 in England, 1855 in Scotland) there is no certificate so there is no point looking for one. The best you could hope for would be a baptism record, but not everyone's baptism records have survived.

From the 1861 census, it is clear enough that he was born in Scotland, though his age is a bit hard to decipher with certainty. There is the added bonus that at least one census says Air, which could mean the county or the parish or the burgh of Ayr. (Agnes' birthplace isn't quite so clear - could it be a mangled version of Dalrymple, I wonder?)

In 1861 John said he was 48 (I think) which, if accurate, makes his year of birth 1812/1813. In 1871 I read his age as 57, not 51, which makes his year of birth 1813/1814. In 1851 he said he was 30, which implies 1820/1821 and is inconsistent with the other records.

There is a James Handley, aged 25, born in Ayrshire, an Ag Lab at Parclewan in Dalrymple, Ayrshire in the 1841 census. As adults' ages in 1841 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, this is consistent with a birth in 1812/1814. Could this be your James?

Agnes' age in 1851 (28), 1861 (38) and 1871 (47) implies that she was born in 1822/1824, so she might be the daughter of John Cairns and Mary Edgar. However her stated birthplace, Dalrymple, is inconsistent with her being born in Kirkmichael so there has to be a question mark over her parentage. Also, the daughter of John C and Mary Edgar would have been 26 in 1851, 36 in 1861 and 46 in 1871 on the dates of the census, so the age is not an exact fit. It is possible that someone has found a baptism that almost fits and has assumed it's the right one when there is no actual proof.

Don't believe anything you find on Ancestry or FamilySearch or anywhere else online unless it's an original document.

6798
Scotland / Re: James Handley
« on: Saturday 24 November 18 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
New thread on same topic Threads merged.

6799
Ross & Cromarty / Re: Unable to find the death of Ann Fraser
« on: Saturday 24 November 18 09:22 GMT (UK)  »
Ann had spent many years in the lunatic asylum at Inverness before dying there. I'm going to ask people on this forum how to go about looking into her admission record etc.
The records of the Inverness Asylum are in the Highland Archive Centre in Inverness. https://www.highlifehighland.com/archives-service/inverness-district-asylum/

I arranged to go there one day and I told them when I booked what I wanted to look at. They brought out piles of books with an extraordinary amount of detail about the people I was interested in. The records are also very well indexed so it was easy to get to the pages I wanted to see.

If you can't get to Inverness you can order photocopies. There's a link on the above page with information abouts the cost of photocopying.

6800
Perthshire / Re: Place name in Moneydie Parish? Kennedy/McGregor surnames.
« on: Thursday 22 November 18 22:30 GMT (UK)  »
One thing I did notice is that on FreeCen this property is shown with the following info;
'Civil Parish - Monzie-Logiealmond' and 'Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island - Moneydie'.
This seems to me to be potentially rather confusing.

According to the New Statistical Account (written in 1845) Logiealmond, which was not a parish in its own right but a detached part of Monzie, was disjoined from Monzie 'about 80 years ago' and attached to Moneydie. Moneydie-Logiealmond has no mutual boundary with Monzie, Fowlis lying between them, and by the time of the censuses they were mutually exclusive.

If the disjunction of Logiealmond from Monzie and its attachment to Moneydie occurred about 1765 as the NSA suggests, your 1770s and 1780s  baptisms in Moneydie could have been in Logiealmond but not in the rest of Monzie, but a baptism in the same place in 1762 could have been in Monzie!

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Clackmannanshire / Re: How can I trace a death in 1830s?
« on: Wednesday 21 November 18 07:20 GMT (UK)  »
I know that Scotland did not have coroners inquests at the time.
Or at any other time. There are no coroners in Scotland, and inquests do not exist in Scots Law.

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Nairnshire / Re: Where to research Daniel Fraser (1773
« on: Tuesday 20 November 18 23:07 GMT (UK)  »
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he swam across the Moray Firth, at a point, however, we presume, near Chancery, where the firth narrows considerably
I think this is probably Chanonry rather than Chancery. It's less than a mile from Chanonry Point near Rosemarkie to Fort George on the Nairnshire shore of the firth.


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Scotland / Re: What became of John Nigel Edensor Fenton-Livingstone?
« on: Tuesday 20 November 18 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
Wow! Thank you for all that. Yes, the 1911 is him (wonder why my search failed to find it?). Violet Stairmand was actually his daughter. No idea who Hoy is but I suppose he would have had to employ a housekeeper/companion/governess for the child.

I am struggling to understand why, having searched for given name Fenton and surname Livingston, I did not find the results you have since found for me ???

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Scotland / Re: What became of John Nigel Edensor Fenton-Livingstone?
« on: Tuesday 20 November 18 00:48 GMT (UK)  »
No, but there was one about his father's baptism.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=548103

I did search the archive before posting, just in case there was one already.


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