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Bunbury, I never understand why some people get so aggressive behind a keyboard. I spent my entire career in information technology, and I just never understood this. I have always tried to write on the understanding that either one's wife, mother, child, bank manager or child's teacher yes I have all of these) would read what I wrote on the internet.

Martin

    Well put, Martin.    An old friend and colleague I worked with at Cooks in London more than 50 years ago once pointed out to me that when two people have a difference and argue, then it is the one who gets enraged that is the one who gets hurt.   So true.    They have a problem and perhaps we should try to understand that they need help in life.   

    This forum is all about helping each other and what we learn here goes much farther than our beloved hobby.    I feel so good when I find I have been able to help some one else and the other thing is that finding out all about our ancestors teaches us more about ourselves and why we are here.

   Malcolm

Thanks Again Igor for taking a look.    Looks like we shall have to take a look at all his records for his date of birth and maybe next of kin could confirm whether this was really Grenville or if he knew someone called Walter Charles Washington that was in the Dragoons.

I've just noticed something new - who knows could be Grenville again, but what is strange is that these details just do not come up in Free BMD -

Walter Charles Washington
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Name:         Walter Charles Washington
Gender:      Male
Spouse:      Louisa Charlotte Washington
Child: Lilian Margaret Washington

Cheers Malcolm

A Walter Washington did serve in 5th Dragoon Guards ( a Private, number 1229). He bought himself out of the army in January 1875 on payment of £30. However the discharge record shows only one year of service.

   Thanks Shaun.   He does come up as such in Ancestry military, but I couldn't open his records because Ancestry just divert one to Fold and they want more subscription.   One heading that comes up in Ancestry is 'Disciplinary Action',  are you able to see what that was about?

   Of course with all the various occupations he claimed I don't think this could be Grenville, though chances are it is because of naming his father 'Horatio' which it was.

    Malcolm

Grenville's history continued...

        Now it does look like Grenville may really have operated as some kind of Jeweller for we find him listed in a London Directory of 1885 as Grenville Maill, a jeweller of London SW.

        Well that didn’t last.   Grenville was soon on  the move again, and to Wednesbury Staffordshire of all places where he was now with Rosetta Miall nee Hoskins for the birth of their daughter Annie May Miall in 1886    The jewellery business may have been put to one side since Grenville now appears on Annie May’s birth certificate as a Clock Maker.

        About the same time, it very much looks like Grenville was having an affair with a lass called Annie Conibear who was from Ilfracombe in Devon.    The most surprising point then is that Rosetta knew all about Annie.   Perhaps not at first, we can only surmise on that.   But most definitely a year later in 1887, when Annie gave birth to a son Grenville Ashworth Miall in Birkenhead, near Liverpool, because Rosetta is named on the same birth certificate as having been present at the birth.   However perhaps in deference to Annie having taken on the surname ‘Miall’, Rosetta then called herself ‘Rosetta Miller’.    This was not the end of Rosetta’s assumed names for the next record we have of her and of her daughter ‘Annie May’ is that both have become ‘Allen’.     On Grenville Ashworth’s birth certificate his father has become an ‘Electrician’.

       We have no further findings for Grenville.    He may have become deceased for in the next census of 1891, Rosetta claims to be a Widow.   Though we have never found any marriage of Rosetta to any Allen or similar name, perhaps she did have a partner of that name and he was deceased?

       The friendship of the two ladies, Rosetta Hoskins and Annie Conibear continued as they were living in the same household - NOW IN NEWCASTLE upon TYNE, in 1891.   Annie Conibear Miall was the new spouse of Stephen Doughty who may have been known to Rosetta in her early days in London.     Again, the sad news is that the little 3-year old Grenville Ashworth Miall died in 1891 in Newcastle and is buried in the Elswick cemetery.    His father is described as an Electro Plate maker, deceased.

        Then in 1892 Rosetta married my great grandfather James Currie Draffan and in due course they moved to Stockton on Tees where James died in 1920.

         A few last points.    We just can’t tell what took Grenville and Rosetta to Wednesbury after a number of years in London.   Perhaps it had something to do with his former Keay relations who at a much earlier date had lived in Wednesbury.     As for the move to Birkenhead it might have been because that was where another branch of the Miall Family ended up having lived in London and Liverpool.    Then the Newcastle move could have happened because Rosetta possibly knew Stephen Doughty.

   Malcolm