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To wivenhoe: Sorry for the 'break in transmission'. I'm back for a couple of hours this morning. Here's a quick rundown on Owen Ronald Roberts.
- 1941. Enlisted as Ronald Roberts WW2 records - Service No. WX28283 (Nat. Archives and WW2 Nominal Roll).
- 1944. Married to Agnes Mary Maloney 26 Dec 1944; Qld BDM 1945/C/130. Two children.
- 1949 to 1980. AERs under the name of Ronald Roberts, in various locations in WA.
- 1960s. Second marriage to Catherine Rachel (private).
- 1980/1981. In the last two AERs he reverted to his full name of Owen Ronald Roberts.
- 1981. Died in WA. 27 Dec 1981. Buried in Karrakatta.

He was a very private man. His first wife died at age 26, and very few family records, no photos, little info kept from this relationship. It's been a real challenge to get to where we are today. The focus of our research is now on his mother Daisy and due to the support from you and other contributors on this Forum, real progress has been made.
The family is very grateful.
 ..... Sel


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Hello Peter .... nice to hear from you. I recall the quality photo restoration work you did for me a year or so ago.
And I did have these records - I'm told that Owen (known to everyone as Ronald/Ron) was a very private man. The Rachel in the AERs is his second wife.
Many thanks for the contact.
.... Sel

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To wivenhoe:
Briefly, Birth record WA BDM 1358/1918, registered in Perth; Owen R Roberts. WW2 record ... Ronald Roberts. It appears he dropped the 'Owen' for much of his adult life and just used Ronald.

Sorry, I'm committed for the rest of this evening, so I'll have to come back to you tomorrow on this. But it's a messy trail with name changes and un-verified family stories.

'til tomorrow.

... Sel

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To wivenhoe: Thanks for the 1925 Trove record - another one I have missed! Looks like I'll have to review my searching techniques. Also thanks for clearing up my confusion on certificate/BDM index records.

To judb: "You have her on electoral rolls in NSW - what name was she using then, and where was she living"
 - This is buried in Reply #8 ... 'Daisy Veronica Roberts, Bumborah Point, Yarra Bay; Occupation HD. It's the same info on both rolls.'

Grateful for all this help.

.... Sel

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To cupoflife:
This info on Victor Francis Lamerto is a revelation, and is certainly worth checking out. Not sure why I hadn't picked this up before, but have been experiencing a little difficulty with Trove since the revamp of the site. Many, many thanks for this reference.

To wivenhoe:
"What is on the death certificate that enables you to identify these two events to be for the same woman?"
- I don't think I answered this question fully. There are two NSW Death index records with the same registered number 853/1939 - one for Daisy Veronica Roberts, the other for Peggy Lamerto. The full transcription previously detailed is one I obtained for "Daisy Veronica Roberts known as Peggy Lamerts" (sic). The name Lemerts could end with an 'O', as indicated in 'Other Comments' by the Agent.
Also, we do know that Daisy Sketchley married Owen Roberts and the parent details on the DC transcription confirms the connection.
Questions: Should I be getting a full certificate? For which entry - Roberts or Lamerto? Wouldn't both registration entries show the same information?

Thanks again .... Sel

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Thanks to all the posts so far ... much appreciated.

To brigidmac:
"I dont know if it will help your search but did you know that Daisy and Peggy are both used as short forms for Margaret".
- I was aware of the use of Peggy for Margaret but not Daisy, so thanks for that.

To wivenhoe:
"What is on the death certificate that enables you to identify these two events to be for the same woman?"
- I don't have a formal DC. I have a full transcription from a NSW Transcription agent. The Index references (853/1939) are the same

"How did this death attract your interest?"
- I'm assisting a good friend with his family research. Daisy is his grandmother on the Roberts side and while he never met her, he is keen to find out more about her.

"The next record I can find of Daisy is in the Aust. Electoral Rolls in Sydney in 1936 & 1937."
What name are you seeing on the electoral roll?"
- Daisy Veronica Roberts, Bumborah Point, Yarra Bay; Occupation HD. It's the same info on both rolls.

"From the death certificate....can you please list all the information. It would be useful to see what else the informant knew.  Can you be sure to indicate if some headings are left blank.....shown as a dash...."unknown" is written."

Here's the DC Transcription Info (verbatim):
Registration No. - 00853.
Date of Death - 3 Mar 1939.
Place of Death - The Prince Henry Hospital, Little Bay, Municipality of Randwick, Late of Yarra Bay, Municipality of Randwick.
Name - Daisy Veronica Roberts;. Also known as Peggy Lamerts (sic).
Occupation - Left blank.
Sex - Female.
Age - 36.
Cause of Death - Pulmonary Tuberculosis, Periferal (sic) Neuritis, Cardiac Failure.
Duration - Admitted to Hospital 24 Feb 1939.
Medical Attendant - R.R. Bye; 3 Mar 1939.
Father - James David Sketchley.
Father's Occupation - Butcher.
Mother - Maiden Name - Annie (surname not listed).
Informant - A. McWhinney, Clerk, The Prince Henry Hospital; Registered 10 Mar 1939, Redfern.
When Buried - 7 Mar 1939.
Where Buried - Church of England Cemetery, Botany.
Undertaker - Wood, Coffill Limited.
Minister - J.F.G. Huthnance.
Religion - Church of England.
Witnesses - David Rattray; R.M. Tomlin.
Where Born - Perth, Western Australia.
Time in Colony/Sate - Left blank
Place Married - Married; Particulars unknown.
Age at Marriage - Left blank
Spouse - Left blank.
Children of Marriage - Unknown.
Other Comments - Peggy Lamerts might have been Peggy Lamerto.

"How long had Daisy been in hospital / under treatment etc?"
- Answered above.

To wivenhoe and CassT:
"Maybe you could contact the Cemetery to see if anybody else is buried in the same plot".
- Thanks, I'll do that. However, there is a Find a Grave record for Daisy which shows a photo of an unmarked grave at that plot location. Daisy's three siblings and her parents are all buried in W.A. She was estranged from the family after the divorce.

Again ... many thanks to all the responses. This is such a great forum!
... Sel



 

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Australia / Desperately seeking Daisy ROBERTS, nee SKETCHLEY (AKA Peggy LAMERTS/LAMERTO)
« on: Wednesday 14 October 20 21:16 BST (UK)  »
There’s a missing 15 years of Daisy’s life that I am keen to find out out about.

Daisy Veronica Sketchley (daughter of James Sketchley and Annie Driver) was born Nov 1902 in Perth, and at age 14, married Owen Griffith Roberts also in Perth in August 1917. They had one child, Owen Ronald Roberts in June 1918.

They divorced in 1921 and there’s numerous reports of the case in WA newspapers in Trove from August to October of that year.

The next record I can find of Daisy is in the Aust. Electoral Rolls in Sydney in 1936 & 1937.

She died of TB in 1939 - in Prince Henry Hospital, Little Bay, Sydney. The death transcription shows she was also known as “Peggy Lamerts (maybe Lamerto). The informant on the DC was a ‘Hospital Clerk’.

It seems that she became estranged from the family after the divorce, and her son was bought up by her mother. It’s also possible that she partnered up with someone with the surname Lamerts/Lamerto or some similar sounding name, but I can’t nail down any likely candidates.

Would really appreciate any help or suggestions that might help to fill in these missing 15 years from when she was divorced in Perth in 1921 and re-appeared in Sydney in 1936.

Regards ….. Sel

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Hi Carol .... so nice to hear from you. These are both great restores and we now no longer have a 'tired old pic'. My Janet is really happy!
Thanks so much for all you good work. It's so appreciated.
Take care ..... Sel

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Thank you Peter and Pat. Great outcomes with such a degraded pic. MY wife (Jean's daughter) is very happy with the results. I am enviable of your talents, and always so appreciative of the time and effort you put into these projects, bringing old pics back to life.
Take care and stay safe ...... Sel

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